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The Boss-Employee Relationship

If more and more employees are changing jobs at an astounding pace, you're going to have a number of bosses. What are some of the best was to interact with bosses, be a good employee, and learn from those who have come before you?

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65 weeks ago from The Boss-Employee Relationship

Danielle Bullen Came across this article on preparing for a promotion: http://on.wsj.com/eIR6dQ It got me thinking. How long do you think you should be in your current job before looking for a step up? Are there timetables anymore or are promotions project-based?

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peterb6086: Hi - one question I don't see anyone asking is "what is your timetable for a promotion ie what is your goal, what have you accomplished to meet ...MoreHi - one question I don't see anyone asking is "what is your timetable for a promotion ie what is your goal, what have you accomplished to meet that timetable to prove you should get the promotion, and if you are past the goal date have you talked to anyone about it.
Then, what is your 2 year goal and 5 year goal at ths company.
If you are just working along and hopeful that you are being recognized, you will be asking the same question next year. Highly recommend identifying the "golden" people who are desitned to rise, and network with them, lunch with them, learn what they do. Your future is in your hands.
71 weeks ago

Jamie Nacht Farrell: In my experience, there are 3 variables: the business model, the culture, and the individual. In reference to the business model, it is ...MoreIn my experience, there are 3 variables: the business model, the culture, and the individual. In reference to the business model, it is typically easier to move up if 1) You're in a revenue driving position. Revenue drivers are typically given a lot of PR and frequently get moved into management positions even when they SHOULD NOT (because not all good revenue drivers are managers). 2) This is where the culture comes in; if you are in a culture that clearly displays the Peter Principle - you can likely move up quickly BUT will also be doing a disservice to yourself. If you move up based on "projects" or "numbers" ONLY, you have forgotten the most important aspect of business - personal growth. 3) Mos timportantly - you have to know yourself. You have to be able to look in the mirror and say, "Here are my weaknesses" and you have to address each of them if they will impact a higher level role. You must also be prepared to TURN DOWN a promotion if a) It's not right for you b) You're not ready for it. I recently turned down the role of CEO of a large company as I know I'm not ready for it. The company appreciated my honesty and my ability to self assess and thus offered me the opportunity to work in any role I would like, design my own comp. strucutre, etc.

If you are ready for a promotion and feel you are not getting it or the opportunity has not arisen, be pro-active. Go to your boss and say, "I want to develop a 6 month professional growth plan with monthly goals that are measurable". If your boss will sit down, develop this plan for you / with you, and work with you on it - you are in a great environment. If not, it's probably time to look for a new company.
71 weeks ago

Meghan Skiff With each boss that I've had, I've established a very straight-talking, blunt relationship. I've learned that I prefer to work this way because having to freedom to speak honestly builds trust and makes our team work more effective. This has become a must have for me. Can anyone else relate to this? What are your must haves?

75 weeks ago from The Boss-Employee Relationship

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Monica Valentinelli: @Meghan: Like anything else, it does come down to personality. However, I do feel that maturity also plays a role.

So, for my ideal boss? One ...More@Meghan: Like anything else, it does come down to personality. However, I do feel that maturity also plays a role.

So, for my ideal boss? One that respects the knowledge that his team has to offer and isn't threatened by their success. One that I can trust, who takes the title of "leader" seriously, and has excellent conflict resolution skills.
75 weeks ago

Diana Antholis: I prefer to have the same relationship. It usually takes a while to establish though, as we have gotten to know each other. And some people just ...MoreI prefer to have the same relationship. It usually takes a while to establish though, as we have gotten to know each other. And some people just aren't wired that way. I usually try to break them in slowly and find our similarities so we have a great relationship.
71 weeks ago

Bennett Phillips Three-part question: What do you think of the credibility of online education? Would you hire someone with a degree from an online college if you were in a position to do so? Which online institutions have the best reputation?

77 weeks ago from Human Resources, The Boss-Employee Relationship, eLearning and Management Consulting 2 more

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Rishona Campbell: To be fair, the University of Phoenix does have actual "campus"; so they cannot be considered an "online only" school.
73 weeks ago

Jeannie Chan: depends. I think online degrees compared to degrees from the worst "real" schools are the same. But few no online degree can compare to a ...Moredepends. I think online degrees compared to degrees from the worst "real" schools are the same. But few no online degree can compare to a Harvard degree, unless it's an online degree from Harvard (which they do offer. not exactly 100% online, but mostly.)

Unfortunately, the online degree with the best "reputation" for being an online degree probably also carries with it the most stigma that it is in fact an online degree. So, I would probably urge you to consider online education program from a traditional school. It will give you the benefit of listing that school on your resume, and may avoid that question entirely.
73 weeks ago

Danielle Bullen Glassdoor.com recently posted itslist of the best places to work. vp://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/where-is-the-best-place-to-work/?src=fbmain hat makes a company a good place to work? For me, respect and creative freedom the top the list

73 weeks ago from u30pro, GenYChat, The Boss-Employee Relationship and Career Rocketeer 2 more

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Edward Antrobus: A company willing to take chances with their employees, hiring entry-level and growing them into their roles. Also, where I can work in the field ...MoreA company willing to take chances with their employees, hiring entry-level and growing them into their roles. Also, where I can work in the field instead of being stuck in an office all/every day.

@Diggory It sounds like becoming a B-Corporation is a complex process; I could understand why many companies wouldn't want to bother with the time & expense. Also, it would be impossible for all companies to "treat employees really well compared to the rest of the market"
73 weeks ago

Diggory Apostolos: @Ed - it's not impossible to keep up with the standards of your field, and it should surely be a goal of every company to exceed them. What would ...More@Ed - it's not impossible to keep up with the standards of your field, and it should surely be a goal of every company to exceed them. What would be worse is to not even try. And yes, I understand why many companies wouldn't bother with the B-Corp certification, and that's why, in turn, I won't bother with them... the thread is about, after all, which companies are the best places to work at. I personally think B-Corps are the best because they put in the effort and the legacy pay-off is immeasurable compared to co's that have high turnover rates and have a negative social / environmental impact.
73 weeks ago

Brittany Thompson Another discussion here on Brazen Careerist had a few of us wondering: once you've determined what qualities are important to you in a boss, how do you identify those qualities in future (or potential) bosses? During the interview process, do you look and listen for cues or clues that might indicate what it would be like to work for the person? And how accurate have your first impressions been?

75 weeks ago from The Boss-Employee Relationship

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Kevin Li: @ Shana: of course I ask the questions using a VERY different tone, not interrogating my interviewer :)
75 weeks ago

Ken: hmm. Applying performance-based interview questions to the interviewer. I guess if my interviewer couldn't roll with it, then I would have a ...Morehmm. Applying performance-based interview questions to the interviewer. I guess if my interviewer couldn't roll with it, then I would have a pretty negative impression. I read the post and tried to think of how I'd respond. I'll definately have to up my game before I schedule interviews!
75 weeks ago

Kristine Fetalco Do you admire your boss? I was previously in a position where I didn't see my boss as someone I want to be like when I'm at that stage in my career. Though she had the experience and education, she wasn't a very strong leader and never looked polished/confident in herself. I recently spoke with a friend of mine who worked for top global companies (GS, McK, etc), and she said, "I don't aspire to become like my boss." Who do you look up to? How do you find your role model if it's not your boss?

75 weeks ago from The Boss-Employee Relationship

Rebecca Thorman: I network a lot and actually once has a list of people I admired from work meetings and events. I tried to build relationships with those people ...MoreI network a lot and actually once has a list of people I admired from work meetings and events. I tried to build relationships with those people outside of work and would often ask their advice and expertise. I haven't done that as much lately since I really do admire and look up to my current boss, but it was very successful when I did.
75 weeks ago

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Rebecca Thorman: I think it's difficult (at least it has been for me) to accurately determine what a boss is actually like during an interview. I got lucky with my ...MoreI think it's difficult (at least it has been for me) to accurately determine what a boss is actually like during an interview. I got lucky with my current job, but I didn't like my boss at all in my previous job; the interviews were very similar. I was able to "interview" existing employees at my currnet position though and I definitely asked them what it was like to work for our two co-founders (CEO and President) - that was helpful, and I think the candidate should be allowed to "interview" the company more often. After all, it's about finding the right fit from both sides and it's a little old-school that we're still doing one-sided interviews.
75 weeks ago

Emily Jasper Usually I bake for my coworkers and boss during the holidays so everyone gets a treat. This year (since I don't have a kitchen), I bought some snacks in little packages. Food still seemed to be in the spirit of giving but did not cause holiday gift-awkwardness. What are your tricks for office gifts around the holidays?

75 weeks ago from The Boss-Employee Relationship

Danielle Bullen I came across this article on how to have a successful work holiday party. http://bit.ly/huvaxX But it got me thinking. How many companies have holiday parties anymore? Weren't big parties cut b/c of the economy? Does your office do anything to celebrate the season? My department is having an in-house pizza party/year-endxawards ceremony.

76 weeks ago from The Boss-Employee Relationship, Young Professional Women (YPW), Career Rocketeer and u30pro 2 more

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Wendy Graydon: We have it at the owners house and they cook and everything for us, very lucky!!
76 weeks ago

JESS Kalinowsky: If an emplpoyer wants to do something nice for employess. then the needs to accept graciously, and NOT want MORE! In todays economy employees ...MoreIf an emplpoyer wants to do something nice for employess. then the needs to accept graciously, and NOT want MORE! In todays economy employees should thank their employers for keeping them employed! MILLIONS of people would love to have the job and appreciate the generosity of ANYTHING the employer chose to give.
76 weeks ago

Ryan Paugh I read an article on Mashable that said 59% of employed Americans check their email over holidays like Thanksgiving and Christmas. Of that 59% a whopping 41% say that they're annoyed or frustrated that they received work-related emails. I get annoyed too, but isn't it our own fault for not setting better boundaries? It's not your company's responsibility to balance your life, it's your own responsibility.

77 weeks ago from The Boss-Employee Relationship

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Ryan Paugh: Email can easily become "Insecurity Work" which is the devil as far as I am concerned. I don't typically take advice from the Four Hour Workweek, ...MoreEmail can easily become "Insecurity Work" which is the devil as far as I am concerned. I don't typically take advice from the Four Hour Workweek, but in this case I tend to agree that setting up a couple time each day where you check your email is a good thing. It's difficult for me to do that though because of the real-time nature of the community that I manage.
76 weeks ago

Aaron Evans: Absolutely Ryan! I think there are business cultures that rely so much on e-mail that it would be difficult to implement. Like I said, I was ...MoreAbsolutely Ryan! I think there are business cultures that rely so much on e-mail that it would be difficult to implement. Like I said, I was skeptical at first. I have been amazed though at the results.

E-mail had become a huge distraction for me, and many of the e-mails were not related to the task at hand. You know how it is: everyone elses request is "top priority", when in reality it is low priority many times.

Now that I have made it clear to my colleagues to notify me directly of a crisis instead of via e-mail, we can get things done.

Other people have adopted this strategy, and I believe that this will allow us to be more productive in the future. It is a work in progress, I will update with the results in a couple more months.

All the best,
Aaron
76 weeks ago

Kristina E. Smith This past weekend I attended an Emerging Leaders (Minnesota Rising) conference in St. Paul, MN. In one group we talked about the hiring process. Do you think soft skills are a hard sell when being interviewed? Do you think that you have a better chance when you're interviewed by a number of people at an organization?

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Bennett Phillips: This is a very interesting topic. @Charlie, I completely agree with you that "soft skills" are not innate... well, of couse some are. That is not ...MoreThis is a very interesting topic. @Charlie, I completely agree with you that "soft skills" are not innate... well, of couse some are. That is not to say that one cannot learn these skills though. I believe that learning technical or job skills is just a matter of being taught the subject matter, while soft skills (as they are much more dependent on emotion and personality) require the learner to be fully engaged and have a compelling reason to put the learning into action and really change.
77 weeks ago

Kristina E. Smith: Good point Bennett. I think that there are some soft skills that people can learn. I think people do that all the time when it comes to exploring ...MoreGood point Bennett. I think that there are some soft skills that people can learn. I think people do that all the time when it comes to exploring other people's customs.
77 weeks ago

Ryan Paugh Halloween is over and I can feel the Holidays approaching quick. I get so much anxiety around the Holidays. Mostly around gift giving and being the guy who is always running around last minute looking for presents. So I'm determined to start early this year and probably do everything online. What do you guys think is an appropriate gift for bosses and colleagues? Can you buy them booze in your office culture or do you aim for something more tame?

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Mehnaz Thawer: Dilbert calendar! I love dilbert.
80 weeks ago

Philip Goetz: Work was kind of slow the next day. We only used a skeleton crew. MoreWork was kind of slow the next day. We only used a skeleton crew. www.texasmediasystems.com
80 weeks ago

Danielle Bullen This article talks about getting feedback from your boss.http://bit.ly/afsai4 How do you guys go about it? I went from a job where I had weekly one-on-ones with my boss to a job where I don't. Do you have scheduled times for feedback? Do you find it productive or would you rather do you own thing and check in when necessary?

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Pete Collins: As a consultant writing reports all my work is reviewed by my line manager, who I also sit next to, so we have a continual dialogue. Don't have ...MoreAs a consultant writing reports all my work is reviewed by my line manager, who I also sit next to, so we have a continual dialogue. Don't have much time for a sit-down ask-for-a-raise but my appraisal is at the end of this month. 20% pay rise anyone??
80 weeks ago

Jennifer Liu: My boss is super busy so there aren't scheduled meetings where I get feedback about performance. I agree with the article though, if you feel like ...MoreMy boss is super busy so there aren't scheduled meetings where I get feedback about performance. I agree with the article though, if you feel like you need some insight from your boss, you have to be your own advocate, be honest and ask your boss directly. Don't leave it up for your boss to help you out. Sometimes I might ask a trusted coworker to get a second opinion or to get some reassurance before talking to the big boss.
80 weeks ago

Emily Jasper Fast Company posted some results about most wanted celeb/CEO/political people as potential bosses...respondents could choose up to three, and Oprah, President Obama, and Donald Trump were near the top with Mark Zuckerberg, Tony Hayward, and Simon Cowell towards the bottom. Who would you want to be your boss? http://www.fastcompany.com/1694198/the-most-wanted-bosses-mark-zuckerber...

84 weeks ago from The Boss-Employee Relationship

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Trish Cardona: I guess you could say I'm typical. Without even reading the article, I picked Oprah and President Obama already. I just think that they are so ...MoreI guess you could say I'm typical. Without even reading the article, I picked Oprah and President Obama already. I just think that they are so passionate about their work and yet they seem to be the kinds of people who would not blow their top on people at all. I want to learn to lead and manage people that way too...
83 weeks ago

Emily Jasper: Even if you think a survey like this is just for fun, it does actually get you thinking about boss behavior. It makes me wonder if we assume that ...MoreEven if you think a survey like this is just for fun, it does actually get you thinking about boss behavior. It makes me wonder if we assume that bosses have great managing skills because they are well-liked, vs. knowing another has poor management skills because we see those mistakes in the news so much.
83 weeks ago

Emily Jasper Do you ever watch movies or shows about bad bosses and say to yourself, "I'd never do that." I think we'd like to all be perfect managers, but you never know until you're in the thick of it. Anyone find they do things they'd never thought they might do as a boss? As an employee, do you ever tell your boss if they suddenly start doing what they never said they'd do?

85 weeks ago from The Boss-Employee Relationship

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Rebecca Thorman Have any of you ever considered asking to work remotely for your position? Not just from home, but from another city? Essentially, becoming location independent, but as a salaried professional (not freelance). Do you think you would like it? Would you miss your coworkers and boss' interactions? What do you think would be good and bad about the arrangement and how would you deal?

88 weeks ago from JobSTART 101, The Boss-Employee Relationship, Productivity & Time-Management, Work/Life Blur and Working w/ Colleagues and Co-Workers 3 more

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Dave Ellis: Oh yeah... Good point, Bonnie! I forgot about the "ending the day" part. The "office" is about four feet from my couch here. I do tend to find ...MoreOh yeah... Good point, Bonnie! I forgot about the "ending the day" part. The "office" is about four feet from my couch here. I do tend to find myself at work at 11pm... ok, 1am...
87 weeks ago

Sarah Peck: Inc magazine did a great cover story about working from home (April issue, I believe), and how it helps / hinders the work environment. Great ...MoreInc magazine did a great cover story about working from home (April issue, I believe), and how it helps / hinders the work environment. Great stories. Here's a link to one of the articles (see related links for more stories) http://www.inc.com/magazine/20100401/no-office-no-problem.html
87 weeks ago

Emily Jasper According to a post at the MBA Admissions Studio, your history of overcoming a bad boss can be a useful admissions essay story for MBA applications. I'd actually think it's a decent story for interviews, as well. The trick is to not come off as bashing the boss in the process. How might you suggest telling a story like that but tastefully? Here's the blog link: http://mbastudio.net/2010/09/value-of-bad-boss-in-mba-admissions/

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Rebecca Thorman: For my second job out of college, during the interview process, I cited some things about my previous boss (unethical type issues) as the reason I ...MoreFor my second job out of college, during the interview process, I cited some things about my previous boss (unethical type issues) as the reason I was leaving and for whatever reason my future boss and I really connected over it. I remember being incredibly nervous though because you don't want to be negative or bash anyone. I think it's about recognizing there are different ways to work and styles, and respecting that and the other person. Most people have had a bad boss so we can all empathize. Just be fair in your description and analysis of the situation.
89 weeks ago

Lindsey Sparks: During my recent interviews this came up as the interviewer had received quite a few applications from my previous employer. She is also friends ...MoreDuring my recent interviews this came up as the interviewer had received quite a few applications from my previous employer. She is also friends with someone was let go last year and someone who quit, so she knew something was up. I explained that there were leadership issues with a new leader coming in and drastically changing the department, layoffs, higher executive level leader changes, and unethical issues. I avoided saying the VP was one big crazy emotional mess who screamed at everyone. :)
89 weeks ago

Emily Jasper We talked about intimidation today, and how often senior leaders might try to intimidate employees when they are trying to avoid certain situations (like being accountable to mistakes). We then heard about peers (or other subordinates) intimidating up, essentially with threats, like "You have to go out to your car at some point, I'll be looking for you." What role should intimidation play up and down the ladder? When does it go from trying to garner respect to bullying?

90 weeks ago from The Boss-Employee Relationship

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Lindsey Sparks: I think Elizabeth hit it on the head - managers who use intimidation are often insecure in their own abilities and rely on their position as a ...MoreI think Elizabeth hit it on the head - managers who use intimidation are often insecure in their own abilities and rely on their position as a source of power. They don't know how to address problems in a diplomatic way, so they resort to threats or yelling. I had a boss who swung widely from telling me one day I was about to be promoted to berating me the next for a "typo" in an e-mail (which was usually not actually a typo, but a matter of opinion, like using the word "large" instead of "big"). Since she fired several people who stood up to her immediately after she was hired, everyone was afraid to stand up to her and she knew it.
Employees have to be careful about this too. I had an employee once who kept threatening to leave, and finally we "encouraged him to leave" and he got upset.
90 weeks ago

Emily Jasper: @Paige, I really like your story. I was in a situation where a senior person used intimidation and as you said, it made him look like a fool. ...More@Paige, I really like your story. I was in a situation where a senior person used intimidation and as you said, it made him look like a fool. Unfortunately, it didn't clear up the situation any more, just made both of us feel bad.
90 weeks ago

TOP IDEA: Sid So today I had a meeting with my boss to let her know that I was going to start looking for a new job internally with the goal of "progressing my career". I really do not like my current job, but I did not mention that. I really do not like my current boss whom I spoke with this morning, but obviously, I did not mention that. She was supportive, but what else was she to do? Any advice on the internal job search? Here is the link to the article http://bit.ly/9yveIz

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Rebecca Thorman: I think you handled the discussion well judging from your post. It's important to be honest and open with your boss, and stay positive. Good ...MoreI think you handled the discussion well judging from your post. It's important to be honest and open with your boss, and stay positive. Good bosses want the best for you, so hopefully she will support you for the new position. Good luck!
90 weeks ago

Ryan Paugh Do you ever drink with your boss or business partners? I drank Scotch with Penelope once when we used to work out of Ryan Healy and my crappy apartment. It was hilarious. I don't think that everyone out there could get away with the kind of craziness that we got away with because my one business partner is my fraternity brother and the other one is ... well ... Penelope. So how do you handle booze around people who you want to trust you?

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Sean Masters: I should add that this was true of my previous employer, and the organization before that as well!
93 weeks ago

Chris Paugh: Throughout my career, every one of my employers took us all out for lunches or dinners and it always included drinks. I always followed my bosses ...MoreThroughout my career, every one of my employers took us all out for lunches or dinners and it always included drinks. I always followed my bosses lead. It was always nice to see people loosen up. And besides that, who knows you better than yourself, in how much you can handle!
93 weeks ago

Rebecca Thorman I would like to do an informal survey for a post I'm thinking about. Are you game? Okay: 1) How often do you interact with your co-workers/boss on work-related business face-to-face? 2) Would you like to increase or decrease that rate? 3) How often do you interact with other people outside of your company face-to-face? 4) Would you like to increase or decrease that rate? 5) How essential is it to interact with others face-to-face in your position? Thanks in advance!

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Rebecca Thorman: Thanks all! Interesting to see the variations :)
92 weeks ago

Barbara Hall: 1. Several times throughout the day.
2. Decrease with co-workers. Too much time being spent finding ppl in the warehouse to relay a message. Then ...More1. Several times throughout the day.
2. Decrease with co-workers. Too much time being spent finding ppl in the warehouse to relay a message. Then it turns into a 15min conversation about personal life. Stay the same with boss. We try to shoot one line emails back and forth for quick answers to questions. And try to meet 1x week to go over projects - sometimes this is 1x month.
3. 1x a year at Annual Trade Show.
4. Increase.
5. Not essential. I could do about 80% of my work remotely. Working to get there.
92 weeks ago

Danielle Bullen I start a new job next week (Woo-hoo!) What is the best piece of advice you ever got about working in a new place?

92 weeks ago from Young Professional Women (YPW) and The Boss-Employee Relationship

Rebecca Thorman I think I'd enjoy my commute more if other drivers weren't so stupid. I get so frustrated! My commute is about 20-25 minutes desk-to-desk. I never had a car before this position and even though my hybrid is cute, I hate driving. I'd love to be able to work from home more often if only to avoid the awful commute. Do you all have suggestions on sensible ways to frame this to my boss? I don't have kids like many of my colleagues, so I'm nervous that asking for such an arrangement is selfish...

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Mark W.: Rebecca, one thing you do have control over on your commute is the route. Maybe trying a few different routes on your way to work will help with ...MoreRebecca, one thing you do have control over on your commute is the route. Maybe trying a few different routes on your way to work will help with the traffic, boredom, or whatever. Who knows - you might find a better way. :)
94 weeks ago

Rebecca Thorman: @ Mark - Totally. I actually go one way to work and a different way home. That does help a bit :)
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