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TOP IDEA: Stanley Lee Educational system (in the United States anyway, although a lot of similarities in a lot of other countries) are failing the up and coming generations. It rewards people who can play by the rules, or follow it blindly like a pupply, like acing exams, completing assignments while following directions, and actively participating in class discussions. It neglects severely on social, communication, critical thinking, innovation, and creative thinking skills, which are crucial for success today.

100 weeks ago

Jay Hepner: It's not that we're not teaching those things, Stanley, but many aren't even doing the critical thinking.

It's not all "following directions." ...MoreIt's not that we're not teaching those things, Stanley, but many aren't even doing the critical thinking.

It's not all "following directions." A good chunk of it is, can you understand the directions written? Too many can't, or don't put forth effort to show they can. In Montgomery County, MD, where I've taught in all four academic areas, yes, following directions and turning work in on time will get you higher grades than you're critical thinking skills may merit, but there's also ample opportunity to do creative work in the service of learning. And learning--both right and left-brained--is encouraged.
99 weeks ago
Stanley Lee: Critical thinking actually used to an advantage that North American-raised workers have over Asian-raised workers predominantly (according to a ...MoreCritical thinking actually used to an advantage that North American-raised workers have over Asian-raised workers predominantly (according to a conversation with a professor I know in college), although this advantage is certainly slipping away with the setbacks of not promoting the use of critical thinking.
99 weeks ago
Melissa Breau: this is a GREAT piece on the US educational system from time magazine - I highly recommend it.

Morethis is a GREAT piece on the US educational system from time magazine - I highly recommend it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Teachers-t.html?pagewanted=...

And I agree with you both, but the problem i see here is partially that college has become like a second highschool. People no longer view school as something they go to to learn more about a particular subject matter or something they have an actual interest in. Despite it's cost, too many people view school as a means to an end instead of an opportunity to seize that will help them make connections and gain experiences for later in life.
99 weeks ago
Jay Hepner: So, you're saying people only go to college to make connections, and not to learn anything? Haven't been in a while, but have seen way too many ...MoreSo, you're saying people only go to college to make connections, and not to learn anything? Haven't been in a while, but have seen way too many students in HS not milking their teachers for the "free and appropriate public education" mandated by Congress in '74, mostly to ensure that special needs children had their educational needs met, but emphasizes that we offer an incredible opportunity to our kids, but many don't take advantage. I am biased, in MoCo, MD we really do have good schools, full of great teachers, which probably makes it easier to be taken for granted. But we get lots of kids from other countries, too, and most of them recognize the opportunity, often much more than the homegrown kids. Will have to read article later, Melissa.
99 weeks ago
Melissa Breau: Not quite what I meant ab college - I'm saying that too many people go to college just to get a diploma. They think having a degree will allow ...MoreNot quite what I meant ab college - I'm saying that too many people go to college just to get a diploma. They think having a degree will allow them to get a career. That just isn't true anymore in today's society. It's expected that you go to college.

Instead, it's the students who try to get everything out of college they can -- knowledge, networking, friends, internships, mentors -- that end up doing well.

Basically, the diff for me was clear when I took classes for my MS in publishing - my classmates were actually passionate about the subject matter, as were my professors. It was incredible, the conversations we had, and the information we exchanged. We were able to learn from each other as much as our professor. We ALL had outside sources of information, we all worked outside of class to learn about the subject matter. As a result, class discussions were informed and intelligent. You don't see that in our education system very often (anymore?).
99 weeks ago
Melissa Breau: Being engaged in learning vs. showing up getting passing grades. Exactly as Stanley was saying. Instead students need to learn to apply knowledge- ...MoreBeing engaged in learning vs. showing up getting passing grades. Exactly as Stanley was saying. Instead students need to learn to apply knowledge- how they, personally, can change something (even if that "something" is themselves).
99 weeks ago
Stanley Lee: @Melissa: This top idea actually stems from your recommended article. Undergrad education has really become a second high school, only so that ...More@Melissa: This top idea actually stems from your recommended article. Undergrad education has really become a second high school, only so that employers value. Guess changes to the primary and secondary school education have to happen one step at a time to save the future generations.
99 weeks ago
Jay Hepner: Never actually did the MA/MS: seemed like additional spending with no guarantee of additional Y. Dropped out of school halfway through sophomore ...MoreNever actually did the MA/MS: seemed like additional spending with no guarantee of additional Y. Dropped out of school halfway through sophomore year 'cause I knew what I wanted to do: write novels, but first see the USA with my thumbs and signs. Accomplished the latter, but found focusing on a novel post-road not as easy. Went back to school because my social life stunk. I do think students today are by and large not really tuned in to what it takes to get and keep a good job, and that it won't just come to you out of the gate, and that there's increasing competition for the best positions, and above all: it's not as advertised on prime time TV. I think a lot of American kids expect it all to just be TV. But maybe I'm overstating the case.
99 weeks ago
Melissa Breau: @Jay - I don't think you're overstating anything.
99 weeks ago
Jay Hepner: Thanks, Melissa. But sorry to hear that confirmed. Oh, Well (Pts. I & II)...
98 weeks ago
Christopher How: Sadly, Singapore's education system is also lagging behind the times...
98 weeks ago
Aurian Campbell: Have any of you ever seen the documentary Two Million Minutes? It provides a pretty critical view of the American education system, and generated ...MoreHave any of you ever seen the documentary Two Million Minutes? It provides a pretty critical view of the American education system, and generated some incredible discussions surrounding culture, discipline and power when I showed it to the graduates at my old office (located in Houston, but employing staff from about 16 different countries). Worth a watch, and they've done some follow up work since releasing it a couple years ago. http://www.2mminutes.com/
95 weeks ago
Christopher Kopinski: It's been 2 years since I've received my BS in Engineering and I can say my experience with young professionals entering the workforce is a ...MoreIt's been 2 years since I've received my BS in Engineering and I can say my experience with young professionals entering the workforce is a diminished sense of passion. I feel Gen-Yers head into the workforce with more of a sense of entitlement than they do passion for their career choice. Almost as if they have completed their duty of getting an education, now hand me my path to success. Many people are looking 2 steps ahead instead of focusing on the now. I understand its important to have goals (I have my own), but the focus should be on building up your skills when you're young.
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