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Posted On 04.18.10

There's been a lot of chatter around the blogosphere since the NY Times ran with this article about the Labor Department's crack down on illegal unpaid internships. The reaction has been predictable. Liberals are proclaiming that it's "about damn time" while the libertarians are crying "socialism" and whining about the infringement on our right to work for free.

This all misses the bigger picture.

Internships are no longer about gaining objective experience. They are about obtaining more semesters/years/credit hours/whatever of experience than the next guy. The reason so many people do so many of them is not necessarily because they want to or because they care about learning something in their unpaid role. The dirty secret is that young people are taking unpaid internships because they are constantly being told that they need to pad their resumes with four or five internships before graduation in order to have a fighting chance at landing that entry-level dream job (or these days, any job). The more unpaid internships that each individual person does, the more social pressure that it puts on everyone else to do them. A classic race to the bottom.

(from Flickr user croncast)

The libertarians want you to believe that if organizations aren't allowed to have unpaid interns, all those awesome unpaid internship opportunities will disappear - a great catastrophe. The logic continues that without all these unpaid internships, college students will be screwed because they won't have all the necessary resume padding when it comes time to start the entry-level career search.

As long as we can reset our expectations, the fact that people will graduate with fewer internships won't matter.

When someone says the reason they are doing something, internship or otherwise, is because "it looks good on a resume," you have to seriously question what's happened. Something that's truly valuable would also look good on a resume, but the reason a person would give for doing it would extend well beyond the superficial benefit of "the resume." We've gotten to the point where people feel (rightly or wrongly) obliged to do things only because they think it's a necessary prerequisite to something they actually want to do in the future. Excessive unpaid internships are about as good an example as you can get.

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lizdebagara
04.18.10

Very well put!

04.18.10

"When someone says the reason they are doing something, internship or otherwise, is because "it looks good on a resume," you have to seriously question what's happened."

Exactly. This problem actually starts as early as high school, where high schoolers feel pressured to join clubs or teams all in the name of a resume for college applications. In both this case and the case of internships that you bring up, the original goal of enjoyment and experience in someone's desired field is starting to fade.

04.18.10

I have a confession to make.

I had an unpaid internship after college, and I liked it, but I felt cheated every day because I wasn't getting paid. It didn't teach me anything, or get me a job afterwards. I found a job while I was in the internship, in an unrelated field, and went off.

Since then I've gone back to the nonprofit field, and I had numerous unpaid interns in my office, to help me accomplish all of the work that I couldn't do. Interns from age 35 to age 16, and in between. People fresh out of college, looking for work, people still in college, trying to make ends meet. People mandated to be there for high school credit.

If they weren't unpaid, my boss wouldn't have let me have them. And my job would have been much much harder. In the nonprofit fundraising field, they try to make you do as much work as they can squeeze out of you. I was the events director, marketing director, mailing manager, graphic designer, communications director, phone-a-thon manager, grant researcher and grant writer, social media manager, and more. There was no way that I could do all of those jobs well. I had to end up doing them all in a mediocre way. I still raised lots of money, but at the cost of my health, and at the cost of these interns, unsung, anonymous, who I managed to get to come in twice a week.

I regret now that I had unpaid interns. I wish I could have made my boss break my job up into two jobs, and hired one of them.

Mazarine
http://wildwomanfundraising.com

04.18.10

Wow. Well I can't say this is the first type of post I've read from the Millenials generation. Your generation seems like they want to stand the world on its head and maybe it needs that, but good luck. My experience is when you are the new guy on the block, you need to stand in line and follow the chain of command. If you come in with an attitude like "I know what's best, I can do this better than you" then it tends to turn people off. What I'm saying in relation to my field is, you can not get hired in a museum without experience. And how do you get experience? Through an internship. Multiple internships would build up your skill-set portfolio. It shows that coming in you can do x, y and z. In the extremely competitive world of museums, I can't think of another way to do it. And since museums are non-profit, they are not going to have paid internships.

I guess maybe what you'd want me to say to a potential intern is- sorry, hardly anyone with an art history major gets hired into a museum. Turn back now. Go get another major. Because really, someone should have been saying that to them when dozens of them enrolled in art history programs at institutions that do not have good reputations for turning out credible scholars. If they didn't go to a highly rated school, the only way I can think that they would be hired in an entry level job would be to show that they had multiple unpaid internships at a variety of museums or in a variety of departments in a museum.

04.18.10

"Internships are no longer about gaining objective experience. They are about obtaining more semesters/years/credit hours/whatever of experience than the next guy."

Internships have always been, in part, about getting more experience/semesters/credit hours/etc. than the other poor schlub. I'm just surprised you seem to be learning this just now.

04.18.10

I have done so many internships. Every academic advisor I have talked to has demanded basically that I do internships. It is all just to put on my resume, but I'm not against it. Although, it would be nice to get some money to do work. In some cases it has helped me gain experience which I liked but the whole point in doing it in the first place is for the resume.

04.18.10

I don't know if a compromise makes a difference, but I think an internship should offer a stipend for transportation and meals. Even 20 bucks a day adds up over time.

04.19.10

Too many companies these days have "unpaid/low-wage internships" that are really just glorified extra workers: there's nothing to differentiate the internship from what a regular worker might do--no mentoring, no training, no nothing. Some people might see that as a good thing, as it's "real experience," but few internships of that kind these days translate into a good CAREER as opposed to some minimum-wage job.

Good or bad internship, paid or unpaid, every experience offers an opportunity for learning, but it's always more fun walking in and walking out of one if it's somehow related to what you're passionate about.

Companies offering internships shouldn't market themselves as "open to everyone/all majors" because then it's just trickery: you want someone to copy your papers, get your coffee, fold some clothing, and sell your wares, and that's not an internship. There's nothing educational in that deserving of academic credit or really worth putting on a resume, especially not if the person has longer-term goals that require actual "related" experience.

These days, I can't afford the unpaid internships that are out there, even if they're in a field I would otherwise love to work in. It's really not fair, but there's little I can do about it.

04.19.10

A tried and true cliche to consider.

"It is easier to get work when you have work."

Even if the internship is a dead end road, assuming the people you meet there are warm and civil, and they notice you are reliable and competent, not only will they be more likely to know about other job opportunities, they might want to refer you somewhere to make sure you don't take their job.

The key is to have an defined end date that is not too far in the future for your internship. If they want three months, but with no pay, maybe don't take it if you can only afford one month of an unpaid internship. I still think it is worth asking for a stipend for gas and meals.

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