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Most of you are aware that I just started a new job (yay!). And so I ask this: Does staying late really help you get ahead?
Just how many extra minutes after hours does it take to make a difference? Should you stay one minute late? Five? 15? 30? Does any of it matter? Is it better to come in early or stay late (don’t say both, let’s be specific here)?
My concern is the old, “If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it make a sound?” So do you make sure to conduct important business after hours over e-mail so your boss is copied on something sent at 6 p.m.? What if you send some e-mails at home from your work account? Does that show dedication?
Do you postpone working on projects just so you have something to do when you stay late? This seems pretty sketchy to me. I’d rather have an employee that got their work done early rather than postponing it in order to make a good impression (Ummm … postpone for a good impression? Am I the only one who thinks that doesn’t make sense?)
What about if you don’t have any valid reason to stay after hours because you were efficient and got everything done during the day? Do you just stay there and stare at your computer screen pretending to work? Does that show that you are available, even if you are just messing around on your iPhone?
Should you make a point to go shoot the breeze with your boss after closing time so that he/she realizes you are there? Is that just annoying?
In all seriousness, is any of this even necessary? It jut seems like a lot of scheming. Shouldn’t your work speak for itself, regardless of if you have to stay late?
Thoughts?

Niki, I love this post! I have heard of a few places where people have been advised to come in late, so they stay late because that is all the boss cared about.
That is outrageous to me.
I have always been good at staying on task and keeping myself organized. I stay productive this way and can usually get more done during my “work hours” than others. I am happy to stay late or work extra hours if there is a purpose for it.
Hopefully more companies will realize they should focus on how productive their employees are vs. how many hours they work.
I love this post, and I have schemed as well! I THINK that work speaks for itself, but I get on a roll around 2 or 3 when all of the morning fires have been put out, and it is hard to stop the productivity at 5 just because that's quitting time. Those of on salary can't really comp the time officially, but I'm told to reduce the paid leave days I claim to offset the extra working hours. It's definitely true that those of us who often stay late are some of the most productive, but I think it is far more impressive to get everything done WHILE everyone and everything is pulling for your attention during work hours. I know I can't do it - yet - but I've started coming in early instead of staying late to spend more time with my husband in the evenings.
I'm against staying late just for the sake of staying late. If that's when you're productive because everyone's gone, great. I'm a morning person, so I get in before everyone shows up. I have a ton of work with Europe, so starting between 6:30 and 7 in the morning means I can get answers and a lot accomplished before the first person in the US wants to know if I want coffee. My team's boss doesn't get rolling until 11pm at night...and I'm already in bed. We balance when hours overlap in the middle of the day, but being there isn't as important as getting deliverables out the door.
Now, other people want to know where I am sometimes. And while I'll stay if necessary, I also offer them my early morning hours. I can flex my time, but I do expect a balance of them flexing a bit, too. I've been in too many situations where I wait for someone else who has no respect for my time.
As knowledge workers usually working on a project by project basis, I find actual "hours worked" irrelevant (excluding some professions such as law). I think we all agree here that performance should be based on completing the task at hand by the best of your abilities in a reasonable amount of time RATHER than based on how many hours (and which times-- early morning or late night) you sit in front of a computer.
Ever since I was told I can no longer have a flexible schedule but must work a strict 8:15 - 5:00 schedule with a 45 minute lunch (even though I rarely took a lunch anyways), my own performance has noticeably declined (perhaps partly in due to the revocation of flexibility). Personally, I would love to "stay late" only because I'm most productive between 4-6pm, but since I'm required to be in the office by 8:15, there's no way I'm going to postpone my work just so that I can stay later.
In all seriousness, a lot of companies feeling the affects of the recession probably have a lack of work and have a lot of employees just coming into the office for 8 hours a day and twiddling their thumbs, pretending like they're working on something (but not), or just working on other things on the computer. If employees are staying late it's either because they genuinely have work they want to get finished before heading home for the day, have nothing to do but want to look good to the boss, or came in late that day and are going to stay late whether they have work to do or not.
What is the point?
Perception is reality, and your boss’s perception is all that matters. I have a simple rule; be in before my boss and leave after my boss. My boss is in at 8:05am and leaves at 5:00pm. You can set your watch to this guy. So I am in at 8:00am and I leave at 5:05pm...
all he knows is I am in longer than he is, and that is the only perception that matters.
Hi guys! Glad you liked the post
Amanda - I completely agree. Once I get going, I can knock out a to-do list a mile long in no time flat. If that go-time happens to be during working hours and I get everything done, why not go home?
Karolyn - I too start really getting things done around 2 p.m. I think it is because I try to get everything on to the next person in the process by closing time, and then by the time it is back in my hands it is late afternoon the next day. I think (and hope) that what really matters is the quality AND quantity of the work produced. Good call on coming in early so you can spend time with your family in the evening!
Emily - Very good point about other people's time. People working late have to be respectful of people who don't and people coming in late have to be respectful of people who don't, especially when the concept of flex time comes up. I think flex time is a fantastic and very productive way to get business done, but it doesn't work without respect from all sides and all levels.
Carlee - It amazing to me when organizations think that enforcing a strict schedule will increase productivity. When people are nickle and dimed, they nickle and dime right back.
Paul - I have heard that exact think before! As much as I would like to say that only the work matters, if I stay five minutes longer and feel like it made a perceptual difference, then I am cool with it. 30 min or an hour just because might be pushing it, but five minutes I can do :)
No, don't stay late under any circumstances unless it serves you. Putting up some kind of perception, just to make a point it a bad idea, not good for you, and doesn't allow you to be true to what you are as an employee.
However, if you find your job, boss or company going the extra mile for you sometimes, beyond what they are expected to do, simply because they are stand up people, by all means give that back. But if they are not going to go an extra mile for you just to be perceived better, you shouldn't do so for them in reverse. You owe them no more than they owe you.
When I was working at MS a German colleague of mine described the difference between American work culture and German work culture thusly: In America if you are first one in and last to leave, you are hard-working and heroic. In Germany if you do the same, you're just inefficient because you didn't get your work done in the time allotted.
Niki, your reply to Carlee really hit a nerve on a busy Monday morning -
"It amazing to me when organizations think that enforcing a strict schedule will increase productivity. When people are nickle and dimed, they nickle and dime right back."
Does anyone think this is a generationally specific attitude (Gen X, or Millenial maybe) or is it more universal than that? (I know, I know, everyone is different, but I'm talking group trends here)
Ty - It is so important to give back when someone goes the extra mile for you. I feel like the employee-employer relationship shouldn't just be about timesheets and meetings, but like a friendship in that, "if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours." This give-and-take forms trust, which is invaluable in the business world.
Tariq - I love it! Your friend is 100 percent correct :)
Karolyn - I'm just going from my experience (which is limited since I'm just a GenYer).
I've been at companies who did not strictly enforce working hours and found that most people came in a bit late, but worked a lot later. Yes, you will always have people who abuse the privilege, but I think those people should be reprimanded, not the whole company. I've also been at companies who strictly enforced work times - writing you up if you were a minute late. You were also looked down upon if you stayed late b/c it made you look like a suck up - even if you had valid work to do. I've also worked somewhere that used to be open, then went to a strict schedule. There was an immediate culture shift and people turned into by-the-clock employees. I'd love to hear of other examples of when stuff like this