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Posted On 10.28.09

Note: This is the second in a series of guest posts, “From The Guys,” written by two of my friends who blog at Simon and Cole (they’re currently undergoing a redesign, stay tuned for the new simonandcole.com). Over the course of the next few months they will be discussing common misconceptions women have about men and telling stories about relationships and dating from the honest and upfront, dude’s perspective. This second one is from Cole.

Fact: Attractive women are capable, in a far greater capacity than men, of going out at night and getting most any guy they so desire.

Imagine it’s a few months from now. For some reason or another-maybe because of a failed relationship, maybe no luck dating, or maybe just our love of spending money on useless things-you are at a crowded seminar given by a relationship counselor by the name of Cole Horn. The beginning has been moderately interesting. He has touched on some common misconceptions women have about men, some general dating advice, and then he asks everyone to fill out a questionnaire attached to the registration packet.

The questionnaire has a space for circling your gender, and below, one question: If you were out at a bar and saw someone you found attractive, would you sleep with them?

Cole collects all your questionnaires and sorts them by gender. The results are extremely telling. Over 90 percent of the men answer yes, compared to only 30 percent of the women.

Here is a little secret about men (one that I probably shouldn’t be divulging): if a guy is turned on (which is most of the time), and a girl starts flirting with him and he thinks she is “cute,” in most cases, he would be more than happy to sleep with her that night.

Now this may seem obvious, and many women are probably saying, “Oh, but that’s the same with us!” But, it just doesn’t seem to be the case.

So, let’s break this down a little further:

What does “cute” mean? When a girl says a guy is cute it means that she is willing to be persuaded into going on a date with him-unless of course it’s the drawn out “he’s cuuuuttteeeee.” In most cases she is not going to sleep with that guy that night; sex is reserved for the drop-dead gorgeous guys. When a guy says a girl is cute, although yes, it means something substantially different than hot, he will sleep with her just as willingly as the hot girl. The only difference will come in the later stages when he is freaking out over the hot girl and maybe or maybe not really into the cute girl. Hence, while only the upper echelon of guys, usually celebrity-looking types, or just plain celebrities, can make even the prudest of women have sex with them shortly after meeting, any semi-attractive (we are talking at least as cute as Lo from “The Hills” [and for those girls who think you're not cuter than her, you probably are]) girl can get that 90 percent of guys. The scales are not equal.

What is my point?

I hear so many of my close girl friends complaining about not being able to get guys. Usually, they are talking about nice guys and thinking there is some sort of drastic difference in the approach. I just told you!-You can get way way more guys than you think. And ever moreso, if you don’t want to sleep with them, you could at least secure a date by being more forward. And I know the default response for this is: it’s a guy’s job to be aggressive. But, I’ve got news for you, we aren’t any better at this than you are.

If you think a guy is attractive and you want to get to know him, or just take him home, tell him. More times than not, you’ll get what you want. And if not, we aren’t going to slap you or mace you, or tell our friends we think you’re creepy.

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10.28.09

Great post. Love the breakdown.

And yes, I do agree that when we talk about not being able to meet guys, we do mean good guys, not skeazy guys in bars. There are plenty of those ones!
It's a good differentiation made here.
But cute as Lo? that's a high standard!

10.28.09

@Mehnaz Ha, Cole included the Lo comment as a separate interlude and pop culture joke.

I'm glad you liked the post. I talk about it and my friends do too. I can also say, I have never picked up a guy on my own where they weren't introduced to me, speaking to me and my friend, etc. So it's a good lesson to take control of the power (I know I have) but don't really exercise.

10.28.09

Hey this is nice and all if all you're interested in is a quick hookup. But the issue is more, I think that more women are interested in a relationship, not an overnight. And that is by far much harder to get in a one night stand. What do girls that can't get guys do wrong when they're scoping a bar for a GOOD guy, not a do-able guy. How do you get numbers from those guys? That's what I wanna know.

10.28.09

@Crystal I totally agree. I honestly think it's not that hard to sleep with someone (if that's your prerogative). I think in general, Cole's ending point is that women have more control than we might realize whether it's sleeping with someone or to get to know them.

I don't know a lot of women that assertively go up to a man on their own and ask for their number or start talking with them. The ones I do, are definitely confident and meet men easier.

Also, in terms of finding someone that fits for each party and it is less about skills and tactics and more about what works.

10.28.09

I disagree, maybe just because I'm old. Neither "cute" nor "drop-dead gorgeous" is the deciding factor for a hookup. (I take back the old; I didn't think that way when I was 20 either!)

Cute and/or gorgeous might trigger the fantasy of the hookup. Perhaps tragically for me, the single, non-negotiable criterion for any further contact at all has always been, "Like."

For a relationship, more than like comes into play. "Like" is essential for even a casual encounter. Beyond that, once I like someone they are cute to me.

jmh
10.28.09

@Crystal Perhaps they should try scoping somewhere other than a bar? It's not exactly an ideal hunting ground if you're in the market for someone with LTR potential(male or female).

10.28.09

@Barbara I don't think it's so much age (although that does come into factor) but rather how women and men behave differently. To me, looks don't mean too much. Someone's personality really drives their attractiveness to me. Of course, initial attraction is nice, but looks don't last forever.

On my blog, there are also a lot of comments from men. Interestingly enough here, all women have responded. Of course, the two reactions will be different.

@J. Maureen I agree. I never have good luck at bars. But I know many people that have met up at a bar and have been together for years. It depends on the environment of the bar. Also, I think there are "better" places to meeting people, but in the end, it doesn't seem like there's a right or wrong. You could meet your husband in the grocery store aisle or at a late night bar. Just depends...

I will also note: I didn't write this post (as signified from the title) and a friend and blogger, Cole did. He isn't on Brazen (I'm getting him to sign up;) but I'm answering with my opinion (which might be different than his) and also from the female's point of view. Thanks for joining in everyone!

10.28.09

From Cole:

I am very happy with the points that everyone has discussed and brought to light in vis a vis the article.

I think people are confusing my post a bit, and this is my fault because I didn't explain it well. My point is that women sometimes expect a guy to talk to them or not be interested, but there are guys who would be interested if you talked to them and are many a bit shy about talking to you. So, nothing is accomplished because of a lack of initiative on both sides.

Girls can be more aggressive and get what they want (but sometimes an overly aggressive guy is labeled as a creep). If it is a relationship you want, the same principle applies. If you want a guy to ask you out, starting talking to him. It doesn't have to be sexual, just a nice conversation. If things aren't going to work out they aren't going to work out, but to assume that all guys are interested in sex and only sex (and furthermore that sex is the only thing that could come from approaching them) is just false.

I think it's funny that many girls and guys make being a "slut" or a "nice guy [or girl]" mutually exclusive. One of the most genuinely kind guys I know has slept with many many girls. And one of the sweetest, most caring and compassionate girls I know has also slept with many guys. To say that a guy who sleeps with you on the first night is not a nice guy, and also a girl that sleeps with you on the first night is not someone you want to bring home to mom, is absurd. Maybe if we all judged people a little less based on stereotypes and mass generalization we might get past the surface and find people we really like, whether partners or otherwise.

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