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Posted On 08.17.09

For a while now, Millennial Mondays have been about showcasing what other people have to say about our generation. More often than not, the “experts” advice is skewed and fallacious. Let’s take back the reigns and tell the world what we really think. Millennials – it’s time to sound off.

This week, the question is, What would healthcare look like under a Millennial president? That is – if you were in the whi

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08.18.09

Good post Nick! I think the other thing you would need is a huge push towards prevention. That may be the single largest long-term strategy for reducing cost. If we could get the obesity rate way down, have people exercise regularly, provide better knowledge about nutrition so people better (as well as get better food into our school), and visit doctors before things get to be at their worst, it would take off a huge strain on our system.

In terms of our generation, we need something that is portable. I have changed jobs over 10 times since college and while I have had insurance during the whole time, many of my friends weren't so lucky. So if we were able to focus on creative value at work instead of having to worry about health insurance, that would have a positive impact on the economy and nation as a whole. Thoughts?

08.18.09

Peer-review and self-auditing ring strong in your proposed system. The problem is time and incentives. Time because the supply of primary care physicians is low and we already face access problems with waiting periods of three months or more for new appointments.

Incentives are misaligned; insurers can see the cost and want to cut it, patients are immune to cost and are indifferent, physicians are either purposefully ignorant of costs for ethical reasons or like patients are unaware because a third party is picking up the check and medical device vendors, just like any other salesman, want to sell their product.

Regarding the last point, a lot of their products (and Rx too) are already reviewed by physicians. And also sold to them. AMA is one of the most powerful special interest lobby groups around. There's a conflict of interest here. In line with what you're saying, the review should be conducted by outside parties, but the asymmetry in knowledge makes it difficult for anyone but physicians to review these products. So how do you design a "double-blind" system that avoids bias?

I thought you might like this: http://blog.jayparkinsonmd.com/post/164127912/health-reform-explained-on...

I went point by point chipping away and adding to your proposal and didn't throw out one of my own. Most of my work has been in reform and not recreation. The process is certainly incremental, and one of the things I agree with you on is that we do need to start from scratch.

The industry sometimes reminds me of hundreds of iPod headphone wires all tangled up. It's too much to untangle them, better just buy a new one.

08.18.09

Hi Nick,

1. President Carter tried peer review to control Medicare costs in the late 70's. It didn't work. When I clicked on Ashay's link above, I found another very good article that describes the primary care/specialists conundrum that is a big driver of costs.

http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/jay-parkinson/hello-health/all-physician...

My only complaint is the claim a starting PCP salary is $80,000. The physicians survey data that I looked at shows $150,000 salary after 3 years so $80,000 sounds really low.

2. With regards to abolishing insurance companies, I assume that means the government is the singe payer. Ask some health care folks about the administration of Medicare and Medicaid, the customer service wait times, and billing inefficiencies that remove about 30 cents of the billed health care dollar. Insurance companies do some shameful things but they are very effective middle men. Average administration and profit is 15% of the health care dollar. However, everyone likes focusing on reducing that 15% to 12% because it's easier than asking about the other 85%.

3. With pharmaceuticals and medical devices, there is a movement to have cost-effectiveness a part of evaluating a drug or device. Currently it is not and that could/would be part of the audit process. Also, the loosening of patents would result in less investment in drugs but given that we can't afford it, that's probably not a bad thing.

4. With $8 aspirins in hospitals, that's really more a function of hospital accounting systems which are set up to get the best possible reimbursement from insurance companies. A hospital looks at its costs, figures out how much money it needs to stay in busines, and assign that money to various items.

08.18.09

Marcos, Akshay, Dead Hedge - the problem is that many companies do not allow their employees time to relax, let alone exercise. Especially in this economy.

At a former company, I suggested a company-wide 15 minute morning and afternoon walk session. The president of the company laughed in my face and asked who would want to stay 30 minutes extra every day to make up the time.

I calmly replied, "We wouldn't make them make up the time - we would gift it to them." I would have gone on to explain that tired employees naturally lag anyway, but she interrupted to inform me she had another meeting to go to.

This was the same company that shortly before had written me up for "overly direct communication" when I teamed up with department heads to reduce lag in the database system.

Now, this company is, more than likely, silly in the brain pan. But I got the same treatment at almost every other job I've ever worked. There's just not enough "time" in the day to give employees time to exercise or be preventative. Hell, almost everybody smokes - or so my neighbors and coworkers would have me believe.

So you're right when you say we need something portable, the problem becomes what portion of the cost -we- have to pay when we get injured.

I'm STILL recovering from my appendectomy in March - a "simple" surgical operation that left me with a 6" scar and $3,000 worth of medical bills. This was the $3,000 remaining AFTER I'd hit the annual cap, including $1,250 deductible, and the insurance paid their 70-90%.

I can't explain the feeling that left me with. I felt like I'd been let down by the entire system - not only did the surgery not go as planned, the insurance basically left me with 30% of the bill. Not long after that, I was laid off - and was denied unemployment.

Like many of my peers, I'm not able to find a job - so I started my own business. I'm living month to month off of the income that I can pull in as a web designer. The system is not built to handle people in my situation - thank goodness I'm reasonably healthy, or else I would be a major burden on the state, the hospital, and anyone else I'd be shorting.

My perspective is that of a guy at the bottom of the leaky barrel - I'm not part of the leak yet, but I've got that sucking feeling.

My point is - when I see an $8 Asprin charge on my hospital bill, and I know I was the one paying for that $8 asprin until the deductible was met, I can't complain to the hospital, whose billing system is set up to charge for maximum insurance payout. I can't complain to the makers of Aspirn, who have no control over the markup charged. I can't complain to the insurance company, who has created a system in which the ones who know how to play the game earn the most profit. I most certainly can't complain to the doctor.

So who do I complain to? Is it fair for me to pay into a system which is inherently corrupt and unjust?

I don't have answers to these questions... all I know is that our medical care system is primitive. Primitive to the point that it might as well not even exist - because so many cannot afford it, so many do not even use the system.

It's time to burn it all and start over.

-Nick

cooper.olivia
08.18.09

I think where we should start is to regulate the health insurance industry. It has become, since the early 80's, a huge part of the GDP, making regulation hard thing to do initially, but I think it has to be done. Deregulation has turned the health care into a fairly coercive, and often unethical industry. A health care industry that profits from people not getting care is not a good idea, and one that will take eons to fix, but that is where we should start.

That and the fact it is not beholden to anti-trust laws should be addressed. I think the life or death of people should not be weighed against the stock holders profits. I don't think the free market was intended for all industries and this certainly is one that should never have been part of the free market.

There are a few cooperatives working well in some parts of this country, and that is an option, but we'd also have to deal with the fact that some parts of this country are lacking in physicians. I know in my own state, just 45 outside of D.C. there is a 6 month wait for some specialists. How we do that is now in the hands of medical schools in this country, and I see more academic talk on this than I see real interests in a solution.

The other thing we have to ask ourselves is, is it ethical for those who treat us to have a vested interest in the labs, surgery centers, and radiology labs they send us to for treatment. Or on another plane should incorporated medical practices have patient quotas - where they are expected to have a patient in and out in 15 minutes. Having a few physicians in my family, it is my understanding that it's rare that a doctor can do comprehensive history and physical on a patient, something they need to do to correctly diagnose and choose which tests to follow up with, in 15 minutes. In an emergency room is the only exception. Maybe if the doctors spent more time with the patients at the outset the treatment would be more pointed, more often pinned down to the one correct test, or the one correct mode of therapy, and in the long run save money.

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