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Posted On 05.07.09

With the new batch of college graduates set to be minted any day now, these poor souls will likely learn what many of us in the working world already know; jobs are incredibly difficult to come by right now and those who are working face a tough time climbing the corporate ladder. There are many contributing

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Mark F
05.08.09

I think you bring up some great points, however unlike football where 3 QB's are competing for one starting job, businesses often have many positions that are up for grabs. If your point is that CEO' or at the very least sr. mgmt (VP's/Sr. V.P.'s) are clogging up the pipeline by not stepping down or twighlighting in less prestigious positions- I agree with you completely.
Where I have a different point of view is overall opportunity of gen-y. In my own organization, despite a difficult economy, salary and hiring freezes et al., there has never been a greater opportunity for the next generation to step up and fill bigger and more strategic roles. In fact we encourage this and it's vital to our long term strategy (yes we actually look beyond the next quarterly projections)...There is no entitlement, you have to seize opportunities when they present themselves, whether that be volunteering for a project or staying late to help a collegue finish a presentation etc...These scenarios can be played out in any environment not just my own...It's easy to say no one got out of my way to allow me to fill their role, its much harder to push thru and take what you desire. To leave you with a football analogy look no further then Tom Brady or Kurt Warner, both were never on Mel Kiper's top QB draft lists, one a 6th rounder out of Michigan and the other an Indoor football league veteran...they seized opportunities and won championships...both took advantage of the opportunity when it presented itself...
My advice is to do the same!
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GenXMom
05.08.09

Look for a field where technology is changing things fast and become an expert on transitioning to the new technology.

The down-side to this as a long-term strategy is that your expertise will have a short shelf-life and you'll have to start all over when the next new thing comes along. This gets tiring over the years, so you won't find much competition from older workers in this environment.

05.08.09

One of the best ways I've seen this situation handled is to be the "get 'er done" employee. If you have older leaders who pretty much are figureheads and probably harm more than help, be the Do-er behind the scenes. You won't get the glory upfront, but usually all you need is one royal $&Y% up from the figurehead, and you're gold. Being a Do-er and not asking for glory starts looking good to the other leaders. You get exposure, become part of the inner circle, and have the opportunity to move up. Also, get a champion on your side. This person doesn't have to pave the way for you (you should do that yourself), but if someone says "Bill did a great job on that project," your champion will day, "Well, I actually know that Brad was putting in hard time with the vendor to get us that great deal. I can't wait to see what else he comes up with."

But there are companies who already see that non-productive executives who are expensive wastes of space can't help during a down economy. There are some who are cleaning house at the top. Sadly, Xers and Yers stepping up may not see financial benefits, but experience always pays off.

Jason
05.08.09

I think the reason a lot of Boomers are not retiring, is frankly, because they can not afford to. A lot of Boomers (and people in general, but it effects the Boomers the most at this time) had little to no retirement savings BEFORE the stock market crashed. Then, the market crashed, and what little they had was decimated.

If you were force these people to retire, a lot of them would not have money to pay their bills or support themselves. They would become homeless, and get their food from soup kitchens or food stamps. Is this what you really want?

There is a lesson here for Gen Y: SAVE FOR RETIREMENT! If you think you don't make enough money to save for retirement, then you need to either cut your expenses or switch to a job where you make more money. Otherwise, what will you do when you're 70 years old, with no savings, no pension, and most likely no Social Security (by the time GenY is 70, Social Security will be gone)? You'll beg for your job and prevent a younger, more capable person, from taking over, just like the Boomers are doing today.

Steve
05.08.09

Jason hits the nail on the head.

"It's the economy stupid."

The hits that many boomers took on their retirement funds alone is enough motivation for these workers to remain working for another three to five years as an economic necessity.

It is not selfish to ensure a comfortable retirement. The impact on GenY is actually beneficial. The more boomers that have financial security at retirement means that GenY will not have to commit so much to the social safety net to support boomers who lack the cash to fund health insurance supplemental to Medicare for example. Secure boomers also will not need to apply political pressure to demand higher Social Security payments. The list goes on and on.

Now I also think that fresh college grads can be had much cheaper by employers than someone with a forty year long resume. I do think companies will choose to cut payroll wherever they can. But companies in this time will also be reluctant to hire GenY folk who demand too much work/life flexibility and may not be willing to commit to the work at the same level boomers have. Turnover is far more expensive than stability in positions.

What this all means for GenY is that they will have to do what my generation did during the deep recession of thirty years ago - put your pride aside, get work wherever you can. At the end of the day that is a better measure of commitment than waiting in the parents' basement for the dream job to come to you. Gotta pay your dues.

05.08.09

Hey everyone,

Thanks for the great comments so far, some really great discussin going on. I agree that there's absolutely no reason to feel entitled to promotions or positions of power, but I think what's hurting young workers right now is that a lot of companies are severely limiting upward mobility and that makes it tough to stick around. I can't say I'm speaking from experience on the topic (unfortunately my current title is "job seeker"), but a number of freinds have lamented that they recently had evaluations or review meetings and their boss basically said, "You're doing great and I'd love to promote you but I can't because there's just nowhere we can fit another manager right now." With all the Favre drama the comparisons just seemed too similar to pass up.

Mark, I'm glad to hear your company is actively seeking opportunities for young employees to step up, I think that's good for both you and them. Hopefully that will go a long way in preparing them once the senior management does decide to step aside so roles can be filled quickly and things continue on smoothly.

One thing I didn't mention in the article that I should clarify here, I don't know of any twentysomething who should immediately jump from new hire to senior management, there still needs to be an orderly progression. The idea is rather that middle managers move up to senior levels, junior managers get bumped up a rung and then younger employees get the chance to start taking on a bit more responsibility. I believe my fellow Millennials are capable, but I'm not sure even I'd want to work at a company where the CEO of 40 years was replaced by someone who just graduated from college. :)

05.08.09

As much as I'm a Gen Y and I would love more opportunities for growth for people of my generation, I have to agree with what Favre has done and with what other executives are doing. After all, if he's good enough and capable of performing at that high of a level then why should he retire? Just because others think he should? That doesn't seem right. And I'm sure most Gen Y'ers would say that same thing. He's helping his organizations (Jets wouldn't have even been close to the playoffs without favre), he's helping the nfl attract fans, and he's doing what he loves to do. Just like an older executive is helping his organization, their clients and customers, and if they love doing it, then why not. You shouldn't be forced out of doing something that you love and something that you're good at just because you've been doing it for a while.

Scot Herrick
05.10.09

With most people taking a 40% haircut in their 401(k), it is tough to come back to feel confident enough to retire. The lesson of Brett Favre isn't so much that he came back (stupidly, in this GB Packer fan's opinion), but that he had enough money to have the CHOICE to try.

In this recession, more people than ever lost the choice to retire because of the 401(k) haircut. The last time this happened in 2001, it took seven years to get back to what people had in 2000. Right now, we're back to about 1998 or so on markets. So if you are one of those people 50 and older, you are staring at not even getting back to even to what you had last year, much less have more. You can't live on no money; Social Security is great, but the rest you have to do.

So people work. They have to. It doesn't have anything to do with Gen Y's wanting to clear out baby boomers; people cannot afford to retire. And, the new retirement is continuing to move to continue working anyway.

Having said that, right now is a huge opportunity for everyone working to really expand their skills and their responsibilities. When you lay off 7 million people in a recession so far, people who do have jobs can move around in a company or take on critical projects they never would have had the chance of doing without the layoffs.

If you have the right stuff, in this environment you can set yourself up for the future very well when we get out of this.

And, yeah, the lesson to Gen Y from the baby boomers needs to be "save for retirement." I don't thing baby boomers did very well in that area. 40% haircuts or not.

05.16.09

Hey, if I can still do the job, and there are places that still need what I can do, NOBOBY is going to force me into retirement for any reason!

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