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Posted On 04.15.09

The recession has changed everything for Gen Y. While we continue to embrace idealism, meaningful change is much harder.

And while young people have the best intentions to be part of the communities we live in, we’re being challenged by a number of conflicting events that contribute to a lack of involvement in local community.

For starters, disillusionment Read this author's blog.

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Jason Simon
04.15.09

My wife and I each have a car and we have considered selling one off. I wouldn't mind getting a moped to get around town. As for the house issue, we all know that there are benefits and disadvantages of buying. I live outside Seattle, have no plans of leaving, so we purchased a house last week. Our mortgage+insurance+taxes will be 200 more than our current rent. Sure, there are numerous expenses associated with ownership, but it's the right decision for us. I totally respect people who have no interest in buying though. It's definitely not for everyone.

04.15.09

Thanks for the comment, Jason.

I have a house myself - well, a downtown condo to be exact - that I bought last Spring. I love it, but I often feel restless that it may tie me down and I'm not doing enough or being enough. And that ownership makes me feel proud and want to be involved in the community, but it wasn't necessary for me to start making change in my city, you know? Appreciate you sharing your perspective!

Steve
04.15.09

I am most concerned about the seeming lack of ambition from many in this crowd, and what impact a consumption adverse generation would mean for our economy in general.

If GenY throws in the towel on owning cars, homes and other material things simply because it means hard work (or harder now that the economy is bad), the engine that drives our economy will run out of gas.

Being a young adult in the early 80s, I also saw housing costs soar out of the range of our meager earnings as we started out, discouraging us initially. But our drive to own homes and cars ultimately created upward mobility for us, and we eventually acquired these things, started families, etc. - we did not give up - the strong not only survived, they succeeded.

Many GenY folk have apparently decided to give up. I suspect it will not be long before many parents of GenY decide that their children don't have the right to wait until they are in their 30s to get off of the XBoxes and their couches and decide what they want to do with their lives.

Community has no hope in this kind of environment. No matter how many "friends" or "followers" you have in the virtual world, at the end of the day it is what you bring to the table - what you actually accomplish in life - that provides any basis for community to thrive.

04.15.09

@ Steve - Interesting perspective. Personally, I've always thought consumption-adverse habits are generally healthy especially since so many seem to be in debt, but I also see where it is negative for the economy. I wonder if Gen Yers are replacing the big ticket purchases with other items that might be more useful for the good of the planet though? I think that Gen Y does indeed have a strong ambition to make a difference, but you're right, it's often difficult to decide in what area since there are so many choices. The book Stumbling On Happiness talks about this. Anyway, thanks for sharing your experiences and for the comment!

04.15.09

Great post. My husband and I were just talking about this last night that we felt we were the last of our group of friends to do all of the things you discussed. I personally get uneasy every Spring and basically chalk it up to 22 years of an educational system which makes me look forward to spring break and summer vacation. The thought of accumulating more stuff always freaks me out, but we did just move into a new house so I guess I'm getting over it.

The thing I worry about, being in the nonprofit sector, is how do we find those communities and integrate our mission into those when Gen Y is nomadic and virtual? It will be interesting to watch in the years ahead. Thanks for the post today!

04.15.09

Rebecca:

Good post. Gave me a lot to think about.

Gen Y is not the first generation to have to deal with a recession, nor will it be the last. I think Gen Y will actually invigorate community, rather than destroy it.

The Gen Y's in my small Michigan town started their own "business after hours" function when they discovered how stuffy the ones put on by the chamber are. I guess it was actually Xers and Ys, but there were definitely more Ys there. They are building their own F2F network right here. I would be really surprised if they were home owners yet, but they are starting this really cool, hip, artsy-fartsy sort of community and they are nice enough to include me and my husband, even though were 8-10 years older than them.

I think Boomers were not good community builders. They were all work. I think Ys (and Xers) are great community builders. In the 4 years we've lived in our neighborhood, at least 7 Xer families have moved in (and we all hang out). Last year, Ys moved in on both sides of me (into houses vacated by Boomers).

Community is not about ownership, it's about quality of life.

04.15.09

@ Angie - I never thought about why I get antsy in the Spring, you're totally right. The challenges for nonprofits are especially difficult and important - I've worked for several, and while many Gen Yers, and just people in general, are excited to get involved at first, it's hard to get the next wave and the wave after. I totally agree that this will all be fascinating to watch. Thanks for the comment!

@ GenXpert - I love this kind of story. It's the kind that I'm familiar with - I used to run a young professional organization myself, but it still does my heart good to hear that others are taking such initiative towards involvement and community. And I love the idea that community isn't ownership, but quality of life. Thanks for sharing.

katenonymous
04.15.09

Trust me, plenty of Xers were also locked out of home ownership due to the price boom! Many of us are just starting to be able to buy now that prices are coming down. We're not all rich; most people aren't.

I also think that it's hard to say, definitively, that Millennials are going to eschew home ownership. It's just too soon to know. After all, plenty of us rented for years, too, and many of us did so because we wanted flexibility. Now we're in a different stage of life, and our goals have changed.

Maybe yours won't, and maybe they will. But we can't know for sure just yet.

So what keeps renters from being part of their local community? And how do you see that playing out?

04.15.09

I can't speak for the whole country, but I know that in our Lodge and in our State, Gen Y has been joining in record numbers, and contributing to the communities in a vibrant fashion. As each new generation contributes to the shape of our Lodges (AF&AM), the whole of our organization grows stronger.

04.15.09

@ Katenonymous - Exactly, that's why I think it will be so interesting to watch over the next few years and decades. I personally don't see renters from being part of the community - I think the idea that they can't is conforming to the statement that you have to own something to have a stake. That's where perhaps today's young people are changing the definitions of community and what it means to be involved. Thanks for the comment!

@ Jimmy - That's awesome to hear. So many Gen Yers are doing good, we just need to know about the opportunities.

04.15.09

Great post! I agree that GenY's are less of the "joiners" except in small circles. There's almost an elitist quality to it. Being a GenX'er myself, we were brought up to value ownership and stability and by planting "roots" so to speak - whether it be from buying a house, having a car, or staying at a job for more than 5 years - these were all signs of success. Those measures of success have definitely changed and in a time of instant gratification and you are only as good as your last project, the time lines for commitment to these now passe measures of success have been shortened greatly.

When I first started recruiting in 2002 - if someone changed jobs every two years they were seen as a job-hopper. Now, it's almost the opposite in the digital advertising world. It's if you haven't changed jobs - why not? Are you not good enough to be recruited away? Or why is this person not expanding their experiences and portfolio by changing jobs, they must not be that ambitious.

katenonymous
04.15.09

@Rebecca, I think you talk a lot about ownership, but not that much on alternative community-building methods. A post on that would be great!

@Ragan, that's interesting, because I remember when I graduated from college, I was already hearing that the trend was closer to staying somewhere three years and then moving on--and that was well before 2002! (Also it isn't what I did for the first part of my career, but I had my reasons and made conscious choices.)

04.15.09

@KateNonymous Yes, in 2002 it was considered job-hoppy by most agency standards if you switched agencies more than once in a 5 year period. When i graduated in '98 it was drilled into our heads that if you dont stay somewhere for 3-5 years it's career suicide, so it's amazing to me that the trend now, only 10 years later is 12-18 months!

katenonymous
04.15.09

I graduated even before that; maybe it depended on the industry or region!

Chuck Hawks
04.15.09

This is a great post and has me thinking from several perspectives. Speaking of perspective, I think that we have to change our perspective of what community is as out world changes. Community itself is becoming larger. No longer should we think of community as simply our block, area, or even city. Community, especially for Gen Y takes on a whole new meaning but that doesn't mean that one shouldn't or wouldn't want to participate in contributing to their immediate surroundings.

Secondly, I think community is about experience, not owning or material things. Sure, our economy could be boosted short term if we all just replicated the same obsessive collective material mindset that got us into overextended debt and bought stuff. But that's short term.

I think Gen Yers see that and want to create something bigger and longer term. I also think that the later generations actually are beginning to understand that life is about experience and sharing, about relationship and community (no matter how large) over owning stuff and always chasing the dream to have more stuff. And isn't that what almost every spiritual doctrine on Earth says is a better path? Isn't that what numerous sages over the years have told us? Shouldn't we think it's good that finally a generation is listening?

I think such a mindset actually supports community more than destroys it.

All that being said, I also think there are challenges that come with identifying with a sense of community that includes such a large share of the virtual world. It can steal motivation to go out in the 'real world'; it can create a seeming lack of interpersonal skills on the face-to-face level; it can generate the opportunity for loneliness...

These are challenges that have not been faced before and we have to use our creativity and leverage the wisdom of previous generations to surmount them.

I believe that Gen-Y will eventually become less nomadic as they settle into careers around their passions, have families, and form their own personal close face-to-face communities. And I think that is great!

I too am a boomer who really didn't know any of my neighbors, save for one house next door. When Xers and Yers started moving into my neighborhood, things go so much more lively and social - and I love it! I welcome them into my community!!

Thanks for a great and thought provoking post!!

04.20.09

I actually think that Gen Y'ers will contribute more to the community than past generations. We seem to have a much greater sense of life-outside work and at least in my opinion, we have a much greater sense of social welfare. It is not as much about ourselves and our lives but more about the greater good and helping out others. I think this other mentality leads to us being more involved with the community and trying to be better all-around samaritans. Although you do make a good point about the housing crisis, I do think that we're able to make an impact on each of the communities that we become apart because of that newfound social awareness that we have.

Rob
04.23.09

I'm not entirely convinced that GenY is that adverse to consumerism. Most of GenY have $1000 phones, $500 ipods, $500 digital cameras and a wardrobe that could feed a family of ten.

Maybe it's the fact we no longer pay attention to slick salespeople because we have access to a vast range of unbiased information from the net. When I buy a digital camera, I already know the exact specs of the exact model I want, along with the exact accessories - and completely ignore the salesperson.

04.24.09

Peter Epstein said "I actually think that Gen Y'ers will contribute more to the community than past generations. We seem to have a much greater sense of life-outside work and at least in my opinion, we have a much greater sense of social welfare. It is not as much about ourselves and our lives but more about the greater good and helping out others. I think this other mentality leads to us being more involved with the community and trying to be better all-around samaritans."

Well, at least Gen-Y'ers don't seem to suffer from low self-esteem.

04.24.09

Rob said: "Maybe it's the fact we no longer pay attention to slick salespeople."

I'm not so sure. An awful lot of you voted for Mr. Hope&Change based on nothing more than slick marketing...

Rob
04.24.09

@Ed: That's because politics are a lot more complicated than digital cameras. And the alternative wasn't exactly that great either (especially with Bazooka Jane as his second-in-command).

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