Welcome to Brazen Careerist!
Aman Sanghera is using Brazen Careerist to share ideas. Join now to become a member and start networking with Aman Sanghera and other professionals just like you. Learn more.
Aman Sanghera is using Brazen Careerist to share ideas. Join now to become a member and start networking with Aman Sanghera and other professionals just like you. Learn more.
I'm currently getting a degree at a university that prides itself for it's liberal arts curriculum and although I do not mind taking a wide array of classes, it has left me feeling pretty useless. I have tidbits of knowledge on everything (over-assumptive?). For example, I can tell you about how a pathogen latches onto a host and can overtake it, I can converse with you about Achilles rage, work out trigonometry problems, turn sentences into logic problems, and even discuss economics--- but what job does a liberal arts education prepare me for, exactly?
I don't feel like a expert on anything and applying for internships frightens me because I feel like I have little to offer. Don't get me wrong--- I can answer phones, negotiate talkoffs, schedule activities and work Microsoft applications, but those are skills I've acquired from my previous jobs--- not my insanely expensive education.
I understand that a liberal arts education is supposed to expand a student intellectually, but do employers really care if I can explain the difference between Marxist and socialist ideology? I don't know. In today's economy, employers seem to want experience and knowledge about the job they want done.... not a jeopardy superstar.
Things may change as I continue into my junior and senior years at college and begin my major relevant coursework, until then however, I ponder the use fullness of a liberal arts education in a practical world.
----------------------------
Sidebar: I'm infatuated with ellipsis (...) had to keep myself from inserting them into each line.....

I love ellipsis too (what's their plural form? lol).
As someone who went to a liberal arts school, I feel your pain. I managed to 90% minor in four disciplines, 80% major in another two, and really only complete 100% of one. I'm totally well-rounded.
For me, it was the "Life Stuff" that got me when I entered the real world. Stuff about leases, credit cards, car issues, budgeting, and personal decision-making.
Sure, I could have gone to the Seniors Seminars that were hosted the last two weeks before graduation, but I was too busy driving back and forth to DC to prep for my new job in between exams.
Hi Aman,
Great post that raised some important questions!
I had similar feelings when I was an undergraduate student, but now that I'm in my first job post-college, I find my liberal arts education very valuable. For one, it provides you with some knowledge about a wide variety of topics. This will be beneficial when you try to network with other professionals - you'll be able to find numerous topics to discuss to keep a conversation going, which is a key still in the business world. Now that I live in D.C. for my job, an international relations and current events course I took my sophomore year has been very useful to me when dealing with international or public affairs clients.
Of course, it depends on the industry you enter, but I think being exposed to a number of subjects and issues will help hone critical thinking and analytical skills - which are essential in any career path.
Best,
Meg
Most employers actually expect you to learn things on the job because most jobs for undergraduates, whether it be marketing, financial analysis, PR, etc. are a combination of common sense and knowledge about the industry / how the company works. Albeit engineering is very different, I figured that you weren’t going to pursue that =P.
The value of a broad undergraduate degree is that it teaches you how to think from many different perspectives. Most interviews don’t test for specific technical knowledge, but rather how you approach problems and handle situations. Don’t worry too much! Anyway, I think you’ll get enough depth once you get into your major :). If you still feel like you're not prepared for the job that you want, it never hurts to do a little outside reading.
As someone who majored in Finance and Entrepreneurship, I say you should charish your Liberal Arts degree. Yes, a business major teaches you some good life skills, but they are skills that are easy to pick up while you are young and fresh out of college, and in reality unless you are trying to get into a specialized field that you just aren't qualified for, your first job will teach you a slew of what you need to know.
I'm sure you feel green entering into the real world, but that's because you are. The knowledge you gain in your liberal arts degree makes you a more interesting person and will help you out greatly down the road. I actually wrote a post on this...
http://www.youngandfrugal.com/2008/12/30/diversify-your-life/

Aman,
You raise some excellent questions that I hear often as a Career Counselor at a large university (and wondered myself not long ago as a liberal arts student myself). Meg touched on this a little already (great points, by the way), but one important thing that liberal arts major gain, above all else, is critical thinking skills. You are going to be exposed to quite a few different ways of thinking in various fields. Being able to sort through them, make sense of them, and critically analyze them is truly a skill. You will begin train and grasp it more over time, though I am sure now it doesn't seem as "practical" as some other majors. But, employers value critical thinking. I hear it from them often. They value a broad perspective on the world and the world of work. It's important to have critical thinking in your set of employable tools - especially in an economy like this. You need to be able to tell the doomsday theories from reality, and also lead the charge with new ideas rooted in sound logic.
When you're feeling lost in liberal arts mania, keep this in mind - there are tons of liberal arts graduates who are out there, employed, and doing well. You will no doubt be one of them soon!
Kevin
Education is never, EVER, a waste. While you may be lamenting your liberal arts education because it doesn't give you any "expert" knowledge, you're forgetting what makes a (credible) expert: experience. All the finance classes in the world won't give you any more experience than you had to start with.
I would view having a hyper-focus on any one area as a negative thing. While I work as an investment officer, I use my technology skills learned in programming classes, the writing ability I learned in creative writing, and how to deal with certain people and groups in my psychology and sociology classes. None of those subjects have a _direct_ relation to my current career field, but they've all be as much an asset as learning how to break down a P/E ratio

I'm not sure the liberal arts education is as important as your previous knowledge and curiosities. If you were an intelligent person with critical thinking skills and a curiosity and thirst to learn more about many topics, than you will succeed both in a liberal arts education but also apply those skills when you leave school. I'm not sure someone can be 'taught' those things. I'd say your major is more important for preparing you for life after college rather than the kind of education your college provides. If you are intelligent with problem solving skills, you will have an advantage on those who don't in the work place. But if your major is useless to what you are doing, or to anything, that is going to hold you back.
I majored in Cultural Studies and Comparative Lit. What did that prepare me for? Anything I wanted to do.
It's true that a lot of the jobs I've gotten were based on the student job I had as an office manager or the internship in a marketing department. I highly recommend taking on some leadership in student groups, working in college, and getting internships to flesh out your qualifications.
But the Liberal Arts degree is NOT worthless. I learned how to write. I learned how to construct an argument, how to debate, and how to play the devil's advocate. Sometimes in business it is really handy to be able to understand opposing points of view and even better, to find the commonalities between them.
That's not to mention that a Liberal Arts degree will give you a frame of reference - you will understand allusions, be able to follow complex lines of thought, and best of all, you gain an ability to use all the varied knowledge you have to bring creativity and innovation into whatever field you choose. For me that has been everything from communications to program directing, administrative work to teaching. And I love it.

I was a history major who went on to get an M.A. in history. What did that prepare me to do? Almost anything (that didn't require technical experience).
Why? Because my education developed skills that include planning, research, critical thinking, writing, editing, project management, and time management. And that doesn't count skills that I developed through extracurricular activities, such as writing newscasts for radio, teamwork, leadership, etc.
The real problem isn't that it doesn't prepare you for anything. The real problem is that it's hard to limit your options. And yet I still found a job (even in an economic downturn--it just took a while) that became a career, and then moved on to another career in a seemingly different but still skill-based line of work.
Oh, and I'm also a Jeopardy champion. Interestingly enough, that has actually been useful at work, even though it doesn't directly apply to what I do.
I already commented on this on your original post... but I had more thoughts :)
Lots of people have spoken up and said liberal arts is so valuable because it teaches you good communication skills, hot to write well, and above all, teaches you critical thinking. These may be "soft" skills or whatever, but I think critical thinking abilities are probably the most underrated, undervalued skill, ever.
It becomes painfully obvious how important this is when you try to have a discussion with someone who DOESN'T think critically, and it's like banging your head against a wall...

Although I typically look down upon liberal arts+crafts majors, I'm fairly certain the only thing that matters is that you perform well in your major and learn skills outside your major. It sounds like you've managed to do that. Now, if someone is only majoring in liberal arts because they're an intellectual lightweight and they don't feel like accomplishing anything, then yes, that degree is useless.

College, quite frankly, has little to do with jobs and more about thinking. What are you learning is not wasteful. What you are doing might be if you graduate with no useful work/internship experience.
And as a sociology major, I can pretty much do anything I want and am not forced to take a certain career. Pretty liberating since my peers who did major in something more *concrete* (i.e. finance) are now re-evaluating.

I think the most important thing to glean from your educational experience is that the overarching analytical and communication skills you developed are what are going to get you a position, not the trivial information you picked up in your sociology courses. Like Meg said, though: that information will come in handy as you meet new people during your job search.
Also, any company taking on a new employee, whether a fresh graduate or a 10-year industry veteran, understands that there will always be a learning curve for that person to climb that's specific to the individual company and it's products/services and corporate culture.
AND! You're only halfway through your college career. Frequent your school's career center and start talking to people about your options and what interests you. Get a move on finding out what's available in the real world and you'll get a much better picture of where your degree is applicable. Your concern and curiosity now are signs that you're way ahead of the curve!
And while you're at your college's career center, look in their database for alumni who share your major. See what they do. Set up informational interviews with people who have jobs that sound interesting. Find out how they got those jobs and how they think their liberal arts background helps them.

Fortunately, no one coming out of undergrad studies is an expert.
College is a lot like a job. You get what you put in, and you tend to find what you expect.
I don't know. In today's economy, employers seem to want experience and knowledge about the job they want done.... not a jeopardy superstar.
Employers are looking for experience, but the experience they are looking for are not contained by your college degree. They are contained by the actions you take while pursuing your degree. No matter what degree you pursue you best bet to find a job after college is to find real world [read: jobs, internships, externships, and leadership position] experiences to supplement your education.
I also think Allison above made some pretty good points.
Finally, for those who think business degrees are automatically more "concrete" are kidding themselves. They can and do face the same challenges when finding their first job that LA students do.
I might have responded to another post in hits but many of my friends with liberal arts degrees are employed in journalism, marketing and advertising, some are managing restaurants, some are buying properties and starting a sound real estate portfolio. It may be that they were just going to be successful anyway, but most are quite happy with their degree considering the fact that a lot of their friends with business degrees are out of work or doing things they really do not want to so. I think your education is more about you and who you are and how you use it.
I've never worked in a field specific to either of my degrees though I'm hoping my grad degree will be helpful to my future careers, and I imagine my careers will be many I feel critical thinking is helpful for any number of career choices and I think some employers see this as well.
I agree with much of what was said above. I studied psychology and European history in college and now I am working on Master of Arts in Humanities. I actually work in events and fundraising for a museum so my degree has been a huge help. To echo Nisha, critical thinking is an enormously important skill. I could never plan events, network with funders or write persuasive grants without my wide range of skills and training in liberal arts. College is not about jobs, its about learning. It will not prepare you for the real world by telling you exactly how to do a certain job. Its up to you to use your knowledge and tools to get yourself into the job or career you want. If there is something else you want to do (science, business, music, whatever), then major in that. But if you're just confused about what to do with your degree, get thee to the career center!
And internships are super important so definitely go for them!
Thanks for all the great feedback above! It's tiresome when your taking a lot of (dare I say) random classes and you have no idea how the classes will be helpful in the future. It is relieving to hear about other individuals who took a liberal arts curriculum and are doing well.
I'm going to hit up the career center as others have mentioned above. It never even hit me to try going and looking up people who have the same degree as me, and seeing what they're doing.
Thanks for taking time to read my post and offer advice.

I am currently a management consultant, I was a liberal arts major but I now work with a lot of people with business degrees. I am glad I got a liberal arts major and I don't feel like I am behind at all when it comes to business - sometimes I actually know more because I can carry on a conversation in history or literature that a business major has no clue about. =)
I also find people with liberal arts majors more fun and interesting to be around - they tend to be curious and open-minded and it translates into being a better consultant because they are less rigid and more willing to think outside of the box.
I think you need to decide on whether or not you like what you are studying, not whether or not it is useful. If you like art history, go ahead and become the best art history student ever existed.
Do not force yourself into studying business just because it "looks" good or gets you a job. It might look good in the short run but in the long run it's what you love that matters, because you will only excel at what you love to do.
I am so glad all those crooks in the banking world are finally sort of being punished for being the douschebags that they are. It a clear proof to everyone that majoring in business ONLY FOR THE MONEY will just bite you in the ass at the end of the day.
I think to summarise what everyone else is saying here is there's a lot of "transferable skills" that can be utilised from having a liberal arts degree so fear not for your degree is not going to make you any less employable.
If you don't know what you want to do yet, having a liberal arts degree might not be as bad as you think it is. It's definitely not useless. You should be able to branch out to different fields which is where transferable skills become very important.
Having a lot of work experiences and part time job is the most valuable thing you could do for yourself right now. It's really not about the money when you're still studying but when you graduate, think of all the things you could put down in your resume. Employer likes seeing work experiences (if any) from prospective graduate recruit. It shows that you have a proactive approach and that counts for a lot in recruiting graduates.
Just remember to not get overwhelmed with work and forgot to study for exams. I knew I did that once.
Priority for studying is of course still more important than work when you're in college. I learnt that the hard way.
I think another strength of a liberal arts degree - at least for me - is that it's given me the opportunity to explore. I think this is actually very important because as a freshman, I was unsure of my majors and my interests. In fact in high school I had applied to a bunch of business schools, but at the last moment decided to go to a liberal arts school because I wasn't sure I wanted to go into business. It was the best decision I ever made, because rather than doing my original majors of econ & math, I discovered political science by exploring -- and now I'm absolutely in love with the subject and am well on my way to doing something I'm very passionate about. If I hadn't had the chance to explore various majors and classes through a liberal arts education, and had been forced to take all business classes, I know I would have been stuck in a job I dislike and wouldn't have found my true passion in life.
Building on Daniel's comments, you must also think of the flip side.
Let me give a few examples. My brother, for whom math is very easy, studied engineering in college. He wasn't able to take many electives at Purdue and went through the motions to get his degree. He was "learning" things for four years that were already largely intuitive to him. He now looks back and wishes he could have expanded his horizons a bit and learned more about history, sociology, et al from some of the foremost authorities.
I have another friend who grew up around computers and decided to study computer science. While his degree certainly helped him get a job, he claims he wouldn't need it to do what he does. He feels that he didn't really learn anything in college.
Anyway, people of all academic backgrounds sometimes feel they studied the wrong thing--or that they didn't learn anything at all. (I don't actually think the latter is true.) What's important, to steal a page out of a Thomas Friedman book, is that you know how to learn. Most people will end up doing something in their career that is, at best, tangentially related to their college major. If you know how to learn you can pick up necessary skills along the way. A liberal arts education can be very useful in this respect.
I also had a liberal arts degree and I definitely felt that some things were missing from my education; but what I did was focus on what was missing and try to find other ways of getting it. I think that's what's great about the college/uni experience; you have the chance to meet different types of people, be part of different clubs, start your own thing. Universities aren't really built to be multidisciplinary (since academics are so protective about their ideology). So sometimes you just have to make the space for yourself to get to gain what you could be missing out on.
I do however agree that liberal arts allows you to THINK. A lot of people are no longer 'conscious'; it's like life is just going around them and they don't actually think about how different things fit together, why they do etc. I agree with some of the posts made the liberal arts gives you highly undervalued skills and that actually a lot of people in the corporate world and entrepreneurs studies philosophy or humanities or any of the other liberal arts discipline. I believe they're successful because they can think critically and that they know how to learn so they can take ownership over their careers.

I think it's great you are thinking about this as a sophomore, but you still have 2 years of more specialized education to go. I wouldn't worry too much. You will pick up more and more skills and hone the ones you already have. Liberal arts degrees are great, but they have to be used creatively when looking for a job or career.
As a liberal arts major who now works with a bunch of business majors, I can attest that I have never in 8 years heard anyone other than our 23 year old M.B.A. intern say to me "Well, in class we once learned..."
The best thing I've found about having such a diversified background is your ability to take in pieces of information from many different sources and determine the priorities and important details. While many of my colleagues tend to tunnel vision a "problem to solution" I "big picture" the situation and make more well-rounded and thorough conclusions. I will also toss in that for everything I encounter, I apply the most analytical and methodical processes to draw conclusions...it drives most people around me nutty given my rather free-spirited approach to everything else.

I think the best aspect of a liberal arts education is the freedom it gives you to explore your interests. While the development of critical thinking isn't exclusive to liberal arts majors, I think the problem with curricula like engineering and business is that they have too many requirements which leave little time for exploration.
When most people think about liberal arts they think of English lit or History. I personally majored in math, and took a bunch of courses in Japanese, CS and Econ as my electives. Having a diverse background really helped in interviews because I can always find an angle to build rapport with the interviewer. I remember a particular instance where I was interviewing for a programming position with a Wall Street firm, and I didn't do too well on the technical portion because the interviewer was a specialist in databases, which is something I don't know a lot about. But I managed to build rapport because I offhandedly mentioned a book I just read when he asked me what my hobbies were, and it sparked off a half hour discussion about the nature of risk and the limits of historical sampling. I was able to hold an intelligent conversation because I took courses like probability and game theory back in college. (Which has nothing to do with the job in question) It gave me an extra chance to show him that I'm smart and knowledgeable. I ended up getting an offer the very next day.

Aman,
I'm a liberal arts grad, and I'm going to give you my honest advice. Saying a liberal arts degree is "useless" is a little too simplistic, but I do think colleges are dishonest about how useful they are.
Here is what I mean:
1) Colleges argue, "You should get a liberal arts degree because you will be more well rounded."
Well, sure that's a good thing, but is being "well-rounded" worth $20,000 a year? If you're a millionaire maybe, but for most people there are huge loans to repay and real world career opporutnities are more of a priority than being "well-rounded." Talking about Socrates is all well and good, but for most of us its not worth it.
2) Others argue, "You can do anything with a liberal arts major, you just have to know how to use it."
Technically yes you can. You CAN also go back to school and get another major in a science or engineering. You CAN become a janitor, you CAN become an actor, you CAN go to medical school. That doesn't mean what it was worth getting it though. The frustrating thing is that other majors are required by some jobs, where with liberal arts, they just aren't.
3) Others argue, "If you're going to be a teacher, humanities professor, or lawyer, you can do that with any degree."
True, and if you want to be those things, then I would say its arguably more worthwhile. I actually plan on being a lawyer, but, the point is that its also good to qualify for careers that other non-graduates don't right out of college. Which is basically the reason why I generally don't think B.A.'s are worthwhile.
Other exceptions: If you've got a scholarship or you're double majoring in a technical/science/career field or if you're a senior and about to graduate and have already spent the money.
Other than that, I say in most situations, you don't really need a B.A. degree and its not worth the tuition.

If you've already chosen that route though, then here's my advice:
-get an internship that is in a field you want to work
-pick up a career-oriented minor
-do all the same-old job things that all graduates do, just more of them (network, resume building, etc...)
-pick up some career-oriented classes that give you "marketable skills". Those are basically any kind of skill that you actually have to learn and are useful to employers (web design, computer repair, accounting, etc...)

Liberal Arts is a waste of time. Period.
It was supposed to be a luxury that rich people/societies could indulge in. AKA not job related.
But since the 60's its become mostly liberal political brainwashing.
Want to know why "so many employers require a liberal arts degree" or what other crap some other posters have said?
Simple, since 1971 the Supreme Court has all but banned proper job testing due to disparate impact. So employers use degrees as a screening device for minimal competence. The degree itself is worthless for other purposes.
Now if you get a science or engineering degree it acts as a screening device AND you learn skills that enhances your job prospects.
And, to be absolutely blunt - I laugh that those people who say solemnly that liberal arts 'teaches critical thinking skills'. To a large degree people either have an aptitude for critical thinking or they do not. At best 4 years of university tinkers at the edges of this. And with politicized liberal arts - it in all probability reduces your critical thinking skills so your brain can be filled with dogma and whatever the intelligentsia has deemed to be "THE TRUTH(TM)".

As someone who was an English major undergrad and a Communications major for grad, and then has worked for nearly 40 years, I would like to convey what my experience has taught me is he source problem.
It's all about telling the truth to prospective and current university students.
What truth?
1. It is simply that liberal arts majors (English, Philosophy, Sociology, etc.) are not gong to be taught skills which will immediately -- or maybe even never -- get them a job paying a middle- to upper-class income.
2. If you choose to major in any of the liberal arts, you will need to obtain specific skill sets after college to make you competitive for a middle- to upper-class income. In my day, it was word processing and desk top publishing. Today, it's IT skills associated with the Internet.
3. Don't believe college counselors who will earnestly and honestly advise the liberal arts major to get an internship during college, and focus on making connections there. It's an unreliable approach. Some students don't know how to make connections. And some students don't know how o pick an internship that has strong possibilties of providing a job wih a middle-class income. English majors, for example, often gravitate toward Publishing and Public Relations -- notoriusly low paying. If you go that route, you can look forward to years of living with Mom and Dad, having a roommate, and eating pork and beans instead of prime rib.
4. That being said, do major in Liberal Arts if you want to become a cultured, worldy, sophisticated person. You wlll be a person who will have the tools to truly appreciate other cultures if you ever have enough money to travel, and you won't have to be reduced to going on a cruise to Bermuda because you don't know what else to do. You most likely will be able to know which fork and which spoon to use when going out to an elegant dinner. And you won't be lost when going to the Opera. And of course, you will learn how think globally, and think critically, about your own life and the ways of the world.
But you won't get job skills that immediately, or maybe never, provide you with a middle- or upper-class income. You'll have to get more technical skills after college, or marry a doctor, lawyer or engineer.
I only ask that colleges tell the students and their parents the truth that I have just described. Then, they can make decisions about the student's education with some sense of the likely consequences.