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Posted On 01.16.09

So I spent the last two weeks backpacking in Southeast Asia, and yes it was fantastic! But today when I sat down in front of the laptop I had missed so dearly for two weeks, what I wanted to write about wasn’t all the stuff I did, but something that most people regard almost insignificant.

I wanted to write about the spare minute or two we spent in each country on our trip (5 of them, not counting our re-entry into the US yesterday morning) filling out arriv

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Anna
01.16.09

This is a topic that's always troubled me. I was born in the former USSR, and came over with my family before its collapse. Due to the timing of the immigration, I've always felt as though I belong to no country. I'm a permanent resident in the U.S., and there's no risk of me losing my status, but I struggle to feel a sense of real nationality in the U.S. Even once I do become a citizen, I think that I will always struggle with the pull between feeling "Russian" or feeling "American."

01.16.09

I was born in the states and raised abroad. Then I came back as a teen.

When I was abroad, people viewed me as 'american' to exclude me, but viewed me as one of them when they wanted to be nice. When I returned, people viewed me as a foreigner due to my accent and my non-WASP name, again to exclude me, but when they wanted to include me in their cliques I was again an American.

With the types of migrations we see these days Nationality has lost its meaning somewhat. It's what you use to pay taxes and get work. Perhaps I am a cynic, but I feel that it's time to think more inclusively about our fellow man and give less importance to where one is born.

Sandy
01.16.09

Hi,

I would just to add the comment that the United States isn't the only nation "where you can come over from any other country in the world and assimilate into the culture here." Canada is very much a nation where every other nationality in the world is readily welcomed and encouraged to assimilate into the culture. And although I do know what you are saying, I think assimilate is not the best choice of words, given both of our countries history with forced obligatory assimilation and the subsequent destruction of many cultures to create one. As a Caucasian Canadian though, I feel I am on a similar quest for a nationality. Canadian means so many many different things, it feels without identity for me. My family have been in Canada for less than 100 years, and in terms of lifetimes and generations that really isn't all that long a time. What I wish I had most, was a mother tongue other than english! A second language, is always a good yardstick to measure ones nationality by - I feel.

01.16.09

America is a place where different cultures can come to live in harmony with one another, but there is no uniquely American culture. Unless you want to count consumerism, obesity, and militarization.

The Real Anonymous
01.16.09

I am a black American who's family has been in this country for many, many generations. I visited Africa last year, and when I came back a lot of people asked me how it felt. Did I feel African, did I feel at home, did it change me? My response surprised a lot of people - visiting Africa as a black American made me feel more American than at any other time in my life. It wasn't that the Africans treated me differently - in fact, in some parts of Northern Africa I looked so much like the people who lived there that many people assumed I WAS from there. What made me feel American was the little things - no matter what anyone says, you only need to be overseas for a few weeks before you realize that there is an American culture - and if you have lived in the US for any amount of time, you are part of that culture. Not only do I feel more American, I love the US more too - this country has it's problems and when I came home, the economy was in shambles, there was political infighting, things looked rather bleak, but there was no where in the world I wanted to be more.

Nisha Chittal
01.16.09

@Anna -- that's really interesting about how the timing of your immigration affects whether you feel American or not. I think it would also be really interesting to hear from others now living in America who came from politically turbulent countries to see if that affects how "American" they feel.... thanks for sharing!

@Dr. Pepper -- I agree that nationality has lost its meaning somewhat, in the fact that the US doesn't have one coherent "nationality." I think that's what makes the US cool though, is that we are becoming more inclusive of each other and not paying so much attention to where one is born or where one's parents came from.

@Tim -- I would disagree that there's no uniquely American culture. Sure we don't have culture in the same sense as every other nation, where there is more homogeneity in terms of shared language, shared history, shared customs, etc. But lack of that kind of homogeneity doesn't mean we don't have our own unique culture. It just makes it harder to define.

@Sandy -- Good point. Canada is similar in that sense too!

@Anonymous -- I totally agree with you. You only need to be abroad for a few weeks to realize that there is something unique about American culture and anyone who lives in the US becomes a part of that culture and adds value to it. Great insight!

jrandom42
01.16.09

As a third-generation Japanese-American, I can state truly that I have never really felt at home either here or in Japan. My grandfather (first generations are called "Issei") came to Hawaii as an 11 yr old orphan to work in the pineapple and sugar cane fields. He moved to the mainland, married and raised 7 kids, including my father. Dad (second generations are called "Niesi"), was the first to go to college and law school. He was looking at a blindingly bright future, until Executive Order 9066 changed the course of his and Mom's lives as well as over 110,000 other Japanese-American citizens. The internment camp was a hellhole, as Mom, Dad and my aunts and uncles have described it in words and drawings. Dad volunteered to join the 442nd RCT, and came home with 2 Silver Stars and 3 Purple Hearts, but his and Mom's citizenship was not restored until I went to Vietnam. Dad could have been a senior law partner or a Federal Judge, like many of his classmates, but because he wasn't a citizen, he was blocked from taking the Bar Exam.
It's this that colors our family's attitude towards being "American".

I wonder if Dad is still inwardly bitter, even though he volunteered to come out of the internment camp, to fight, bleed and maybe die for a country that imprisoned him and his entire family, just because the powers that be felt they couldn't count on their loyalty in a time of war. Dad and my uncles who also volunteered, put it all on the line for America, and essentially were treated as an embarrasement to be hidden from the public.

"But a Cambodian could move to the US and eventually become one of the 300,000,000 other Americans."

And so Mom, Dad and everyone in my family thought, until Executive Order 9066 stripped them of everything and imprisoned them for nothing more than who they were and where their families came from. Just because you can become an American, doesnt' mean that you'll continue to be one, if the powers that be have decided your loyalties are in question and that you might pose a threat to the rest of America.

Just ask anyone with an Arabic or Muslim background.

The Office Newb
01.16.09

I am of mixed race Asian/Caucasian heritage, so I also struggle with identity issues. Because I'm mixed, I look somewhat Asian but not quite and often get a lot of questions from people along the lines of "what are you?" I'm usually polite about answering their questions, but frankly, it's not really anyone's business but mine. I don't go up to random people on the street and ask "what European country did your ancestors hail from?" (Which has happened to me several times with the word Asian substituted for European). I find it inappropriate.

And once people find out I am Asian, 9 times out of 10 I get asked "so did your parents immigrate from China?" "Do you speak Chinese?" This is in spite of the fact that I have no accent (English is my one and only language) and that I, my mother and my grandmother were all born and raised in America. People seem to have some very stereotypical notions of Asians and I live in Seattle, which has an Asian population of 25%!

I think it's sad that we have to be reduced to a short checklist of countries/nationalities/ethnicities in order to define our identities both formally and informally.

KateNonymous
01.16.09

People assume I'm of Irish descent. Which I am. I am also of Scottish, English, Welsh, Spanish, French, and Chinese-Filipina descent. I have ancestors who were here in the 1600s, and I have ancestors who were here because they married American citizens in the 20th century.

I recognize that it's much easier to have people assume that you're part of the more traditional majority, but there are assumptions going on all over the place, all the time, and generally they are at best only partly accurate.

But to me, one of the things that's great about being an American is that we can be from anywhere originally--centuries ago, or last week.

Nisha Chittal
01.16.09

@jrandom42 -- Thank you for sharing that story. America is not perfect, by any means, and Executive Order 9066 is a huge black spot in this country's history. I'm sorry to hear your family had to experience that. I'd like to think though, and this may just be me being overly optimistic here, that America has hopefully learned from some of the major mistakes it has made and has become a more accepting country now than it has been in the past. There is certainly still a lot that America has to learn, though.

@The Office Newb -- I completely feel you on that. I get asked the same questions all the time. "Where are you from" is my favorite. Because then I respond with a snarky "I'm from Chicago." And usually they look confused and then try to rephrase their question to get the answer they want. It's like a game which I'm sure almost everyone of any kind of Asian descent goes through all the time! The most annoying is when people think they are being nice and say "your English is really good" -- haha, that is possibly the worst thing EVER. I hate that the "where are you from" question that all minorities get asked has this underlying implication from the asker of the question that we're somehow different from the rest of America. I agree that it is really annoying that many times people want to put a label on you even when you don't apply any kind of ethnic label to yourself. As America becomes more diverse though, I see this changing. Hopefully.

@Katenonymous -- There are definitely assumptions on all sides of the issue. But I agree that one of the coolest things about being an American is that anyone could be from a different place originally and everyone has a different story as to how they ended up here! It's been awesome reading the comments as people shared their own experiences with being "American."

01.16.09

Great discussion! I've lived in both Chile and China, and it's been so interesting for me to see the completely different reactions I've gotten when introducing myself in these countries.

In Chile, when people asked where I was from, I would always say California. The next question was almost always, "Did you vote for Bush?" "Why did Bush get re-elected?" or "Do you agree with the war in Iraq?" This was in 2005, and I developed a simple but intelligent response that referred to the way that Bush referred to religion in his speeches.

In China, the reaction could not be more different. The Chinese word for America translates to beautiful country, and people often say, "beautiful country, beautiful girl" or "America has money." Really common questions are "Do you like basketball?" (The NBA is HUGE in China!) or "Did you go home for Christmas?"

The contrast between Chilean political skepticism and Chinese cultural admiration has been so striking to me.

I must say that I have been WAY prouder to introduce myself as American since the election. "Obama hen cu!" (That's Obama very cool, in Chinese...)

jrandom42
01.17.09

"I'd like to think though, and this may just be me being overly optimistic here, that America has hopefully learned from some of the major mistakes it has made and has become a more accepting country now than it has been in the past."

As much as I would like to believe so, talk in recent years of rounding up the Arabic/Muslims in the US, and of rounding up all the "illegal immigrants" and anyone else that "doesn't look like us" has saddened me and left me thinking that change like that is going to take at least a few more generations to transform, especially if being "American" can be stripped away with a stroke of a pen.

RATTLERMAN
01.17.09

This is so refreshing to read. I am a 40 year old African-American male. I have enjoyed reading all of your responses and it makes me proud to be an American who just happens to have African ancestory.

While reading jrandom posts I could not help but think about my people's history here in America. In my past I was the poster child of the "Angry Black Man"

Life will teach you some things ... if you let it. Through the years I've learned to see the good in all people. It took a long time to realize that everyone was not my enemy

Its my wish that with the rise of our new president that people begin to see past skin color. It's not going to change overnight but it has to change

Just my $.02 worth

Nisha Chittal
01.18.09

Leslie -- I've definitely been prouder to introduce myself abroad lately too...one of the best moments ever was when I met this random monk in Thailand who asked where we were from and when we said America he started excitedly babbling about Obama in Thai :) But you're definitely right that some countries are much more skeptical about America, while others are still optimistic about what America can offer. What do you think caused those differences in attitude?

jrandom -- I'm sure there's been "talk" of rounding up Arabs, but more often than not, it's talk generated by extremism and ignorance. There's no SERIOUS political talk about this, other than by fringe groups that no one listens to. And of course there will always be a few random crazies who advocate that kind of stuff, but that doesn't mean people are taking them seriously or that any action will come out of it.

Rattlerman -- I'm glad you are enjoying the discussion here. I love hearing all the stories people are sharing too! And I definitely think America is beginning to see past skin color.

Nisha

jrandom42
01.19.09

And all the racial profiling that has been taking place is just the "last throes" of racism in America, right?

jrandom42
01.19.09

And all the racial profiling that has been taking place is just the "last throes" of racism in America, right?

02.27.09

Nisha,

A delayed response for you! Today I have some new insights on being American in China. For my new job I will be coaching Chinese lawyers to speak "American." The textbook really opened my eyes to the specific ways that Americans speak English -- blurring together some syllables and emphasizing others. By speaking "American" these professionals will be able to communicate more effectively with their American clients. In China I think that America represents business opportunities and modernization.

By contrast, when I lived in Chile, people viewed the US with a lot more skepticism. I think that this is related to a history of imperialism, particularly in terms of the political connections that Pinochet had with Henry Kissinger. This is an enormous topic about which many books have been written. Of course there are business connections between the US and Chile but I think that history has a stronger influence on how many citizens view the US.

Thanks for all your great articles!
Leslie

Anonymous
07.31.09

What does American mean? A rootless sheep people who have no knowledge of higher culture or art and primarily inhabit the North American continent, but have lately contaminated real nations elsewhere. See American architecture, McDonalds, the popularity of soda, Lady Gaga, and styrofoam cups.

Bodyc
08.08.09

Can i take a one small photo from your blog?

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It is so amazing how spoiled we are with are electronics. I would go crazy without my laptop for two weeks. It is definitely a change.
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