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Posted On 12.17.08

I overheard a conversation between two twenty-something colleagues discussing their respective partners. The guy was a newlywed and the woman was engaged to be married later in the year. The gist revolved around how they came to be married (or, otherwise engaged).

”If you have a stable relationship - you pretty much have a yes,” the woman said.

Her observation peeved me.

I’m not implying that stability is not part of the equation in agreeing to marry someone, but the word seems absent of all the fun in why people decide to marry in the first place.

Cold practicality aside, her comment was devoid of any interesting decision behind her own reasons for becoming engaged.

I’m not trying to make any assumptions about why she’s getting married (since it shouldn’t matter). Nonetheless, I can’t help but imagine scenarios involving spreadsheets and charts that may have accompanied her answer of “yes.”

When you decide to answer the marriage question (or ask the marriage question) - do these thoughts flow into your head?

“He is so stable and normal - he’ll be a wonderful partner for life.”


“Oh, my God! You’re so stable, of course I’ll marry you!”

But, maybe that’s the response women should have when they agree to marry someone. Long gone are the ideas of marrying for love, passion and happiness, but figuring out who can best can deal with your emotional baggage and help pay the bills.

After all, that’s what stability represents - doesn’t it?

What about the fun, sexy wild adventures that comes with falling in love and marrying someone?

Marriage is more about the balance you strike with another person’s moods, hang ups, eccentricities, bad money management and nosey parents. Playing the lover, friend, partner, counselor, the cook on Tuesday nights and the person whose turn it is to fill up the gas tank - they all enter at different points. It’s not always about those fun, sexy wild adventures that everyone seems to be having in La La Land and Hollywood - if they ever existed.

Some parts are boring, unexciting and seem like you have a roommate of marital convenience. Then, some other times, it’s just harder than you ever thought it should be and that’s when stability matters more than ever. Perhaps I am naïve, but I felt that stability was implied because someone who loves you is asking you to be his lifetime partner - and you agree to be his partner as well.

Nevertheless, I guess it’s too much to assume even that when someone asks you to make a life long commitment. After all, the American divorce rate is at 50%.

Marriage for the Gen Y woman has taken a progression into dubious definitions teetering between exciting milestone to convenient partnership. Nowadays, when I hear young women say they don’t want to get married at all - I think it’s a way to avoid becoming unmarried in the future. Men wait for the right time to get married - women look for the right one to marry.

Have our standards and expectations “cooled” to the idea of marital commitment? Emotion might be what starts marriages, but the blunt facts of “irreconcilable differences” are what end them. I don’t think most women want to marry while having to seriously consider the idea of possibly becoming divorced one day - it scares the hell out us.

Wanting to tie the knot wanes as dreary marriage statistics, the Independent Woman movement and professional outpacing (in context to men) bombards the Gen Y woman like a hammer over the head.

Now that women are much more likely to marry for love (as opposed to previous generations), the “love” notion seems jaded - even dismissed. Some rather pursue a life without marriage than a world of joint custodies, child support, personal tensions, bitter resentment and lingering disappointment. Or, in the case of amicable divorces, referring to your 1st marriage as a “starter marriage.” Maybe even, taking a cue from Charlie Sheen, start referring to our past marriages as cons and frauds - until, of course, we find the “real” thing.

There’s a portion of us in the Gen Y population who have lived in divorced homes (me included). There are those who grew up with parents who were obviously unhappily married. We are much more careful and discerning about commitment - people sometimes mistake our hesitation for outright avoidance.

We genuinely feel that marriage can undermine an otherwise good and healthy relationship.

Why bother with the formalities?

I don’t know. But, I’m guessing not everyone is as jaded as they say (or pretend to be).

And, if marriage was declining in popularity - Bridezillas wouldn’t be on my Favorite Channel List.

Posted in Culture & Society   Tagged: Culture & Society, decision making, divorce, family, Gen Y, life, love, marriage, men, Relationships, women   

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December 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Hey Raven, I love your take. I feel like I have both sides - the cynical/practical and the romantic side. When I was younger Four Weddings and a Funeral was my favorite movie for whatever reason because Hugh Grant asks Andie McDowell at the end if she will not marry him for the rest of his life. At the time, it seemed to make a lot of sense, and I thought it was super romantic.

I also just read a psychology article ruminating on the idea that women today get bored too easily and aren't looking for stable as much. I think the truth is, like you say, somewhere in the middle of this, but what makes it so difficult is that Gen Y women do have the most choice in what they want to do marriage-wise more than any other generation. And that's powerful. And confusing.

Great post! :)

Raven Moore
December 17, 2008 2:54 pm

Thanks Rebecca - when I was writing this post, I was reflecting on my own thoughts about marriage and what it would mean in the future for me. I feel that I am "teetering" between milestone and convenient partnership. Within that teetering, marriage doesn't seem as exciting as it should be (or how others have made it seem to be). It's so weird.

December 17, 2008 4:54 pm

Your post had me thinking about my own marriage for most of the day. My cynical/practical side was the part of me that was never proposed to (we had a week long conversation, agreement and plan of action) and was the part of me that did not let my husband ask my father for his permission (I still think it is an archaic and ridiculous concept). But I still had my romantic side, the side that wanted a honeymoon and my own little suburban dreams. Our marriage today is very similar to our engagement but it works in strange, wonderful ways.

December 17, 2008 5:57 pm

I'm glad the gears are turning. I always wonder how other Gen Y women (who are already married) came to a decision to marry. Were they total romantics, jaded, in between? Sometimes I think the idea of marriage is becoming boring while long term dating is becoming the norm...

December 17, 2008 6:48 pm

Hi Raven,

This is a terrific post and it's something I've been toying w/ blogging about as well.

As someone who's happily engaged to a beautiful, independent young woman, I have to say it was a combination of stability and love for us. We fell in love but have done our best to stay realistic about how our marriage will also be a lot of work but worth it in the end.

I don't know - I've always been a bit of a hopeless romantic - but formalities aside, I couldn't imagine being with the love of my life and not being married to her. She's my best friend in the world - so between our relationship's stability and my love for her, buying a ring and putting it on her finger was one of the easiest decisions I've ever made.

Terrific post!

December 17, 2008 7:03 pm

Raven - love your post, as always :) I just heard one of my friends got engaged the other day. I was shocked. She is 20. And my best childhood friend -- who is also 20 -- is ALREADY married. He was married by 19 to a girl he had been dating since they were 17.

I love my friends, but I think they are all nuts.

I don't have anything against marriage, I'm just saying: watching people rush into a decision that serious, without thinking it through completely, and at such a young age, is a mindblow. At least in the two examples I mentioned above, I don't think in either case they were as discerning as they could have. I don't know what criteria went into making their decision, but I am certainly wondering now what their decision theory was. I'm sure both had the crazy-falling-in-love experience you describe, and didn't think about "unromantic" things like practicality or stability. But I also wonder how long both their marriages will last when the divorce rate is so high...

And btw, one of the most interesting posts I have read on the topic of gen y and marriage is from none other than Ryan Paugh: http://www.employeeevolution.com/archives/2007/09/06/you-cant-save-the-w... .

December 18, 2008 6:13 am

@Dominic
Thanks - and Congrats on the impending nuptials. I'm glad to hear that you and your fiancee were able to balance the love/practical side of marriage. I'm also glad to hear that your romantic side isn't dead (unlike some of us in the Gen Y population).

@Nisha
Your comment reminds me of an all-women's college I (briefly) attended. Believe it or not, the culture was totally ultra-girly (pink and green were the school colors), a Vixen was their mascot (female fox) and women played "ring games" to guess who got engaged at the end of the school year. Marriage was a BIG DEAL there. Girls as young as 17 were engaged and would even get married before they finished school. I was starting to wonder if something was wrong with me because I found the whole thing a little looney tunes...

Barbara Saunders
January 1, 2009 7:56 pm

Speaking as someone whose parents got married late for their time and have been married for 43 years, I see marriage as neither a milestone nor convenient. (Anyone who thinks marriage is "convenient" is starting with a handicap!)

If you pick the right one, the two of you can work on whatever hassles timing presents. Choosing the right time can be just another version of the "milestone" approach.

My boss on my first job had just returned from maternity leave after having her first baby at 40. She and her husband had met in their mid-twenties, and she said she knew he was the right one but that she had really never planned on getting married that early. Not wanting to pass him, she married him at 27 but waited until she WAS ready to take on the 30-something milestone of "starting a family." (And, she was not the stereotypical "career woman"; she traveled, did art, etc.)

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