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Posted On 11.14.08

Let's talk for a second. The application for jobs in the Obama administration is, without a doubt, the most complex piece of work I have ever seen. I wanted to use other words to more accurately describe it, but I can't. Because, if I ever intend to work in politics, I could kill my career before it has even started. Witness:

"If you have ever sent an electronic communication, including bu

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Allison @ Entry Level Living
11.14.08

People have been giving this advice for a while but now Obama with his application makes it official: watch what you do online!

Unfortunately, this pretty much eliminates everyone who uses a computer.

Norcross
11.14.08

For those who have a goal of getting involved in the political landscape, these rules of monitoring your online presence is almost mandatory. I know there has been stuff from my early 20's that would be hard to explain in the political spotlight. The rules are changing, though. Until recently, there wasn't the digital footprint available, so many things could be ignored or pushed under the rug. However, with the press' insatiable appetite for information, a real vetting process must occur.

junger
11.14.08

Wow. This is crazy. Nice job digging it up and sharing.

Nisha Chittal
11.14.08

@Allison -- agreed. This basically eliminates anyone who uses a computer/the internet.

@Norcross-- Yeah, these rules have definitely have become almost mandatory for anyone in politics. It only works right now though, because there's still that technological divide between those who are old enough to never have gotten in to social media, and those of us who have grown up with it from the start. I suspect things will change a lot in a few years when no one can escape from this.

@junger-- Thanks!

Karl Hourigan
11.14.08

From the point of view of a middle-aged guy who has hired a lot of people over the years, this stuff actually sounds reasonable to me. I blogged about something similar a while ago, aimed at college students.
http://electricbard.netfirms.com/nfblog/?p=20

The fact is, the internet is very public. Some of it you can control (posting your own pictures and blogs), and some if it you can't (other people writing about you). The stuff that gets exposed on the internet that can be embarassing is not a whole lot different than stuff that went on before the internet, but in this day and age, I think we need to remember that "keeping it in the family" is not what happens on the internet, and bad behavior can come back and haunt you. Instant karma, indeed.

Ryan Healy
11.14.08

Wow. I can't say I'm surprised about this, if you're going into politics, you always have to watch what you do, but its goes completely against what the Obama team to win the campaign. In the future, this stuff won't be a big deal, because it will be impossible to find anyone that doesn't have a little bit of embarrassing info posted about them on the internet.

Nisha Chittal
11.14.08

@Karl -- You are right that the internet is very public and I agree that people should watch what they put online, like pictures and blogs, to some extent. But people live their lives online now from a really young age and it's nearly impossible to keep your online image completely perfect. Plus, part of what's great about the internet now is the interactivity and conversation -- people shouldn't have to be afraid to contribute to the conversations going on online. you should be able to express political opinions and have a conversation without worry about about a possible conflict of interest 20 years down the road.

Part of my point is also the impossibility of what the task the Obama team is asking. For our generation, it'd be impossible to track down everything we've written or posted online, any handles/aliases we've used, every comment we've written, every political text message, IM or email...

@Ryan -- Agreed. In the future this will have to change because it'll be impossible to find someone with a completely clean track record online.

Kristen
11.14.08

Interesting - what stage of the application process is this? Apparently I haven't gotten to it yet.

Adam
11.14.08

I've had to answer similar questions in the past about some of this, but that was for a security interview, essentially trying to remove/minimize the potential that you could be blackmailed.

The only thing is, if it's something that is blackmail-worthy, it can be easier to find if it's already online.

However, I frankly find the other questions more invasive, regarding personal diaries and the like. Sure, I see the reasoning behind them, but then it comes down to how likely is something to come out.

The other thing is, it really is impractical to really list everything one has ever written online.

Pam Ragland
11.14.08

Wow... I would suggest just do a Google search & attach it!! On any given day my name shows up between 59K and 72K times. My application would be a book. How silly is that???!!

If they are going to ask for these things at least make it easy.

By the way, I would be awesome advising Obama on how to really make effortless and effective change happen. This is my expertise. No one can touch what I know. But, no way I'm going to fill out a book to help. Craziness.

Warmly,
Pam
~ Pam Ragland - Human Behavior and Change Expert
http://www.AskPamRagland.com

FeltMoses
11.14.08

I think you're missing the point here. They just need to know the backgrounds of everyone in their administration. This doesn't necessarily mean that because I am a co-host of the podcast SexHoagie, for instance, I won't be offered a job. They just have to vet these applications properly.

Irina I
11.14.08

Great post!

@Ryan Healy, I completely agree with you. In 10-15 years, everyone will have "embarrassing" and slightly incriminating information about themselves online, so that will be old news. People will become desensitized to seeing party pictures of political figures from their college years because they would have been seeing that from their own friends for years.

This all sounds very Big Brother-ish to me.

Bryan Bliss
11.14.08

I dont think Nisha gets it.
There is a big difference between Disclosure, and Discrimination.

Just asking about somebodies past is not a mandate that anyone that actually HAS a past is ineligible.
"If You're Online, Forget A Job With Obama"??
this is a joke?

Right?

While this blogpost may have served as an alarming and superficial rehash of an equally alarming and superficial post from an " ABC NEWS" blogger, it is just inane and confused.

"@Allison -- agreed. This basically eliminates anyone who uses a computer/the internet."

HUH? She really is kidding here?
Right?

The assumption is incorrect.
The conclusion unsupported.
The analysis was....
what analysis?

Unfortunately,
that probably qualifies Nisha for the next Palin 2012 campaign.

thanks for the chuckle anyway,
Bryan Bliss

B. Carter
11.14.08

I understand the importance of evaluating the nature of the online behavior of any candidate for a white house job. HOWEVER, I also understand what Nisha is saying. I'm 22, I have had my own computer since I was 12 and I can't imagine having to dig up every email (lycos, hotmail, yahoo, gmail...I can't even remember how many accounts I've ever had), every blog post comment and certainly not every news article I've written as a journalist. So while I promise that no one will ever find a picture of me in downtown Athens, Ga. on a Saturday night in a drunken stupor, I don't think I'd be eligible for a job in Obama's administration. I couldn't even complete the application.

I'm sure that there's a solution to this problem. The more people become attached to their PDAs and communicate virtually, the more impossible these requests for info are going to seem. However, Obama ran on a platform of change. Figuring out a new and more efficient way to vet job candidates would be a great way to embrace it.

Anonymous
11.14.08

They know what people can dig up when their minds are put to it. Notice the stress on "conflict of interest." If it's normal stuff, leave it off. If the job is important to you, and it should be if you're working for the government, then just delete your Facebook and Myspace profiles. Print your blogs off and save them at home if you want, big freakin' deal. They don't want it to come out that their Asst. Sec. of the Interior likes to get high on weeknights.

dj41326
11.14.08

It is quite funny how all of the Obama supporters are following him as blindly as the Bush supporters have followed him. The truth is that Obama plays for the same team. Do some actual research. Obama was selected as president by the Bilderberg Group and the Tri Lateral Commission in hopes of furthering the agenda of the New World Order. In fact Google New World Order in Google News and the first headline from today is "G20 hopes to discuss plans for New World Order". Obama will carbon tax people and install militarized youth groups. He even mentioned youth brigades in one of his campaign speeches. He mentioned that they will be as well funded as the US Army. Scary thought huh. Well I know in the zest to change this country people voted for what looked like obvious change and they will indeed get change. Change that will cripple the US and allow the large multinationals a chance to gobble up all of our land and assets.

Anonymous
11.14.08

are you serious woman? you're an idiot honestly i don't mean to be so rude but PLEASE the only question that is really being asked is if on any of those outlets you did anything STUPID or if you were a friend to any of the idiots that have put us where we are. if you have FINANCIAL TIES to any of these people then NO you can't work for Obama THANK GOD

Nisha Chittal
11.14.08

@Kristen -- I'm not sure. Check the link at the beginning of the post -- that was where I first read about it.

@Adam -- I definitely think the diaries thing is kind of invasive. And it is impractical to list everything one has ever written online. You'd practically have to just do a google search and print it out like Pam's suggestion!

@FeltMoses -- I think you make a valid point that little things probably won't matter. But for Obama, who won his campaign in part due to his use of social media and the internet, it seems strange to me that his transition team doesn't understand the impossibility of the task they're asking, which is documentation of all our online activities.

@Irina -- Thanks! It definitely does sound Big Brother-ish now, but I think (at least I hope) it will definitely change in the future.

@Bryan -- Interesting, but when I made that comment that this practically eliminates anyone who uses a computer, that was a touch of sarcasm. And my point was more that this makes it exceedingly difficult to even finish the application for most people because it's a little naive for the Obama team to think that anyone can track down everything they've ever written online. However, I do still think it can harm people. What if they supported a Republican in their past and wrote some comment about it somewhere? Or they wrote something about Obama during his Senate run in 2004? Or participated in some kind of protest in college? We've seen how past activities can get dragged out -- Obama got slammed for mere associations with Bill Ayers and even Rashid Khalidi in his past.

Also, in the interest of full disclosure, I didn't write the headline.

@B.Carter-- I agree, a new and more efficient way to vet these candidates does seem necessary.

@Anonymous-- yeah, deleting stuff could be one way to solve the problem, but a lot of things, once posted, are still cached and can still show up in search results.

Anonymous
11.14.08

Nowhere does it say that you will be qualified for having a past. The administration need to be able to determine how big a liability is reasonable for an applicant. For instance a black hat turned white hat hacker being hired as a high level computer security adviser makes a lot of sense but brings controversy. The administration needs to weigh the risk vs. benefit.

Anonymous
11.16.08

The Internet is the greatest possible implementation of Bentham/Foucault's Panopticon...

60726x
11.20.08

awesome! blogging, the marijuana of the next generation.

before bill clinton candidates with drug use history were considered ineligible. bill "didn't inhale" clinton was evasive. george bush was 'reborn' and reformed, and for obama it was a non-issue. google "obama drug use history" to see incorrect predictions by fauxnews and the clinton campaign on this issue.

but eventually, and probably soon, so many people will have published so many controversial things that it will matter more that you're intellectually engaged in the public forum.

in the meantime, i still post anonymously because i'm risk-averse and operate in the large corporate environment that encourages conformity.

Anonymous
11.20.08

The author of this post is the most literal person I've read in a while.

Obama is simply filtering-out voyuers and exhibitionists, which describes many young folks today.

If you want to work for Obama, then just google yourself and attach the results. Also attach all of your social networking crap.

I think that internet voyuerism is awesome - it filters out so many people who would otherwise be viable competitors to folks like me who want to get ahead.

I've never posted anything on the net with my name on it. And won't.

12.02.08

A. folks, if you are going to post anonymously just don't post. For real.

B. from a public relations point of view, the entire vetting process boils down to one thing: no surprises. The last thing you want is the other side or the media digging up the blog post where your cabinet member said something supremely stupid and inappropriate.

C. to the author's point, you may get the boring or crazy, but the lengthy and deeply personal vetting process will scare off the lazy (and/or folks that just assume they will get a job because they worked on the campaign or contributed financially).

I think it's all very smart and is having just the effect the transition team was hoping for.

KateNonymous
12.02.08

If you don't want people to post anonymously, don't allow anonymous posting. Conversely, if it's allowed, it's acceptable.

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