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Let's start this post on a happy note and go with the good news of the day before the bad.
America has made history and has voted in a black president, Barack Obama.
I want to extend a congratulations to the soon to be president on his historic day.
The other good news is that Bush will be out of his position in 76 days. I do
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Comments
11.06.08
The Republican/Democrat conscious generalization is unfair. I think that a lot of Republicans and Democrats without any historical perspective can't supply a name for this question. I can provide a bad/good list for both, and if you judge by my presidential voting choice, you would call me a Democrat. Please don't make unsupported generalizations to make the "other" party look dumb. There are intelligent and thoughtful people in every party (including third parties).
And the racial radicalization of this election was very unfortunate. Minority Americans have, in the past 20 years or so, voted with the Democrat party. No one ever made a big deal about that before the candidate was a minority. Every democrat nominee for president has received over 90% of the votes cast by Black voters.
However, stressing that you are not a racist is always a cause for concern. People can call me whatever they want, but the truly ludicrous comments (like racist) isn't even something to discuss. My mother always said, don't respond, just make sure it isn't true.
11.06.08
Wait....I was posted on BC??? This is amazing, for the past two months my posts haven't made it past my "community" page. Paint me shocked!
Beth-It is useless arguing with you because we both take such stubborn positions."My mother always said, don't respond, just make sure it isn't true." So you are telling me not to respond at all to you? If I don't then I am seen as cowardly in this confrontation, that is a nice position to put me in.
Listen, I have a huge problem with someone calling me a racist, as I think any person should have a problem with it unless they proudly announce they are a supremist or something.
I wrote about how the democrats in this election cycle were the biggest users of the race card in my post "The liberal wild card is the race card". You are correct on minorities voting democrat, there are two reasons for this and they are both unfortunate. Number one is that the republican party never made it a point to specifically reach out to groups of people and acknowledge the black, hispanic, asian or any other type of community, unfortunately they hoped it would apply to everyone. The democrat party also hypnotized minorities every election cycle for years that the republican party would only screw them over, maybe way back in the past but certainly not in my lifetime.
The thing that upsets me the most is when you have minorities that recognize their values in the republican policies and vote republican only to be called "uncle tom" or "traitors". I think that may be a deterant into even looking at conservative policies and being scared away by the democrat rhetoric.
Yet, Beth, I do not disagree with you on being able to come up with a list for both sides. I personally didn't want McCain since the primaries, it unfortunately came down to a vote for the lesser of two evils like the past 3 elections. I am personally waiting for a candidate to vote FOR and not AGAINST. Hell, at least I am being honest.
11.06.08
Chris- the GOP does have to rebuild itself, but getting back to core conservative principles isn't going to be enough. Yes cutting into the deficit that Nixon, Reagan, and Bushes created would go a long way to restoring the brand. But this election shows a larger trend towards more liberal economic policies.
We saw gay marriage bans roundly approved by several states, which means that social conservatives are and always will be around, and that's fine with me.
But what sunk the GOP was the economy and their mismanagement of it. In 1992 Bush Senior left his Democratic next-in-line with a massive debt and an ailing economy, and this time it's even worse.
Republicans are going to have to move to the center on the economy and regulation before the country really listens to them again.
P.S. I wouldn't worry about your blog being shut down. They would have gotten us both by now.
11.06.08
Tim-Yes you are right on a couple points there. Unfortunately no one seems to want to point out Bill Clinton's involvement in this economic mess today, certainly it has to do with republicans too but to blame it all on republicans is ridiculous.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A...
Onto the funnier comments, did you hear that Google Blogger anti-Obama blogs were shut down this past spring for a short period of time until enough people complained. I think we are all in for a big surprise. I love writing about this stuff and see it as a little hobby, not to be taken to a journalistic seriousness, but it scares me that my little voice can just be silenced for no good reason.
11.06.08
Chris,
Your response reveals fundamental ignorance about the history of the Republican and Democrat parties. Please, before you decide you can't discuss this with me, bring me some facts. About your party, for example. There is a reason that the they say that the Southern Democrats are Northern Republicans. And furthermore, the Republican's race to the right and ultra conservativism on social issues (and national federal political support of such) is not representative of political conservativism. The issues are much more complex. Using traditional conservativism, many of the issues without national consensus would be left alone. And Roe v. Wade would be punted back to the state it came from, and there would be no threat of a national ban because, well, Republicans don't believe in that.
Blacks have only voted Democrat since Republicans turned their backs on their Black constitutents. When Blacks were first given the right to vote, it was Republicans taking them to the poles. That is one of the places where the "vote early and often" idea actually started. This was told to me by a very knowledgeable Republican friend, I looked it up, and you should too.
Secondly, whatever you feel about yourself as a non-racist, "me thinks you doth protest too much" is a common response to people who hem and haw about a "nonissue" and undercuts your viability. You cannot respond to all negative atacks, unless they do have a potential to be seen as viable. People can say whatever they want; you just have to make sure it is not true. But maybe I feel this way because as a woman and minority you get a lot of mess dumped on you. You learn to, metaphorically speaking, let it roll like water off a ducks back. Name calling is never helpful to the discourse. And it shows just how immature some people are.
Calling someone a racist, or bigot, or sexist is a cop out. The issue is always much more complex than that. But it is a way to avoid using your mental muscle to find the correct discourse for the topic. I You can't win them all, but you certainly cannot win a yelling match with a mental twelve year old.
And, I agree with many economic pundits that Bush Jr. inheirited the economic mess we are in. Furthermore, I think that the actions of both Democrats and Republicans created a perfect storm through deregulation and lowering the bar for home ownership.
Generalizations are generally bad, even this one. You have to be very careful when you paint with a broad brush, because everyone isn't any one thing. Except human.
11.06.08
Ok. Here is my issue with Conservatism. And maybe I can gain some insight here, because there are certain ideas that I don't quite understand.
Now, Conservatives are for small government. And the core belief is that most decision making should be left to the individual and not the government. On that end, being fiscally conservative makes sense. (I'm a complete heart-bleeding liberal, but I understand that we need Conservatives to keep us from bankrupting the country trying to save everyone as much as Conservatives need us to make sure that anyone who doesn't fit the extreme Type A personality type doesn't get trampled on). What I don't understand is social conservatism. So, the government shouldn't have any say so over what people do with their money, but it should issue mandates on what to do with our bodies or who we should marry? "Choose your own health care provider, but let us choose your spouse and dictate your family planning." Huh?
Call me a "crazy liberal" but I can stand a few bucks off the top of my paycheck for a social program waaay more than I can stand having my personal life governed. Maybe I'm wrong or making assumptions, which is why I'm asking for some clarity on this one.
11.06.08
Chris, congratulations on getting posted at BC. Now prepare for the onslaught.
@ Beth: methinks YOU doth protest too much. Maybe Chris feels this way because as a male and caucasion "he gets a lot of mess dumped on him." No one has a monoply on unfair attacks and I understand his desire to respond. I find your suggestion that his comments might prove something to the contrary quite telling and intellectually insulting. Generalizations are indeed a tricky thing.
11.06.08
quick comment re Bush allegedly adopting the mess we are in today???????? (depends on whom you speak to)
well here is the big question - didn't he have 8 years to fix this? and wasn't that his job?
Best source for Legitimate information regarding the economy please see www.epi.org - non partisan economic website.
The truth isn't as black and white as what was potrayed.
My issues with Conservatism are as Monique said above. One would be more concerned about what I do behind MY closed doors, that doesn't affect You or millions..
But, we will want to get rid of Regulation of Business, because we should TRUST an individual to manage Hundreds of Millions of Dollars, and hope they won't pull an AIG, Enron, Tyco, Merril Lynch, Wachovia, Countrywide, Bear Stearns... okay you get my drift..
We are to Trust THESE guys that they would have OUR best interest at hand, and not the interest of padding their own back pockets.
It wasn't just these guys - it was a growing problem in America, when we saw wages decline 7 times in the past 8 Years. We saw Americans workers get displaced, and long term unemployment grew to record highs.. but these numbers were never addressed. Instead blinders were kept on..
Yes, this goes deeper than Politics that a Black Man was elected to office - Not only In America, but to the World. Obama indeed was the best candidate for the job.. that is true.. but, we cannot forget the Significance that the color of his skin represents to the Majority of the world.
It isn't a race card.. it is just reality
MHO
Karen M
11.06.08
Robin,
I am a conservative and I understand your concern. This is something that the Republicans have to work on over the next few years. I, along with Barry Goldwater, believe that the fundies who have infiltrated the Republican party have ruined it. I don't believe it is beyond repair.
With that said, religion is an important aspect of the party, and it took more than just religious conservatives to vote for the gay marraige bans (see Obama winning in CA and FL, but the Bans winning too), so the gay marraige isn't just a conservative issue, it's a religious one. With that said, to preserve separation of church and state I believe that states should only issue civil unions to everyone, and that marraiges should be issued by religious institutions. That, in my opinion, is why the bans passed.
Also, on abortion, I wish it was as easy as pro life or pro choice. The issue really comes down to "at what point in time is the fetus considered a citizen of the United States." Because once that fetus is considered a citizen, abortion violates the fetus' liberties, and therefore abortion should be illegal at that stage. Other than that, a woman, man, tranny, can do whatever they want to their own bodies, but when it infringes upon the liberties of another citizen it should be illegal.
11.06.08
having lived in several countries outside of America, it baffles me how this country is pretty Much the ONLY Western Country which puts such an emphasis on religion in relation to politics and Government, even though the Constitution of This country (which is pretty much one of the Best in the world) totally declares that to be uncostitutional.
Thankfully here in America, we are fighting the "win" on Proposition 8 (ban of gay marriages) as it is declared to be unconstitutional.. And it is, at least based upon one of the oldest legal charters in the United States of America.
Which is why the Supreme Court left it to the independent States to decide for themselves.. but again we are back to square one.
Daniel, many declared Prop 8 was anti family -- but then isn't divorce not anti family? Should thus divorced people not ever be allowed to remarry?
50 years ago, in America, my Parents would not have been "allowed" to marry, as "Religion" and Politics -- the Conservatives declared it to be "wrong" and bad. My Grandparents had the opportunity to marry though in the Caribbean. But, she is not buried next to my grandfather.
I have personal religious and spirtual beliefs, and they belong Only to me.. and I don't think that in any way that I should impose on You as an individual what you should or would do behind Your close doors, as long as it does not hurt the majority.
karen m
11.06.08
"Americans do not respect panderers to the center or opposite party, they elect based on the concrete principles that the party stands on."
Americans increasingly vote on the issues, not the party. The GOP is stuck on social issues (abortion, gays) not actual policy. It's a big part of the problem.
We have the same conversation over and over again, Chris. Why aren't you citing your sources when you make sweeping generalizations.
Where is your evidence on the Fairness Doctrine issue? Where is your evidence that ALL McCain supporters have been labeled racists? Links please.
I don't see Obama as someone trying to silence the opposition. In his books, the debates, interviews he talks about finding common ground on key issues to build a bridge to change. He doesn't talk about locking people away.
Re: Bush opening the door to locking up anyone on his say so, Obama has already promised to go back through every executive order issued by Bush to turn back the ones violating the spirit of the Constitution.
Obama doesn't have a problem with dissent; major difference between him and Bush, Cheney, Palin, and much of the GOP. (McCain 2000 would have been OK with dissent, me thinks, but McCain 2008, not so sure)
There actually appears to be some correlation between Palin's race-baiting comments at rallies and threats against Obama http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/report_threats_t...
Maybe the GOP has some responsibility when it comes to any divisive during the next term?
And re: "the country may have ended up with a liberal president BUT by the numbers it shows that America will not stand for radical leftist change."
Click on "voting shifts" on this map. Practically across the nation people voted more Democratic, save for Appalachia and the Deep South (which are hot beds of racism -- they went more Republican). http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html
We are increasingly a left of center nation, Chris. There in lies the problem for the GOP. It keeps moving further and futher right, marginalizing itself.
11.06.08
If McCain/Palin had won, and someone sent me a text that said "History" in response to Palin being the first female VP, I would have responded with "I'm leaving the country, this sucks". That doesn't make me any less of a woman/feminist etc, anymore than being disappointed that the Dems won makes Chris a racist.
So..as much as I'd like to say "Hey everyone, get behind the guy I voted for, lets unite as Americans!"...it would be hypocritical of me because I would not have united behind McCain/Palin...particulary Palin.
Chris, while I strongly disagree with(almost)everything you wrote, I would probably have been writing something similar on the other side of the coin had the election gone the other way.
11.06.08
Thanks for the explanation. Of course, I don't agree with you but I can at least see the rationality behind some conservative principles.
That said, I think that we all need to take a step back from our partisan rhetoric and breathe. For starters, we need to stop dividing and labeling the country. Let's be clear about this. We do not elect parties, but ideals. With Reagan (as I'm told. I'm too young to remember. Plus, I grew up in a black low income household so my relatives find it hard to wax poetic about the Reagan years), the country wanted a return to order. With W's first campaign, the country wanted a return to values. (I love and respect Bill Clinton for his intelligence and political savvy, and an overall successful presidency but the man lacked a moral compass) W's second campaign was about portraying toughness to the world. Barack's campaign was about a return to optimism. So to say that the country is "right of center" or "left of center" limits us. America moves as history does and we seek elected officials who are fluid enough to adapt to the times, but strong enough to hold fast to our core values of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Neither party's ideals are always right for the times. Different times call for different approaches. Even as a liberal, I can concede that there have been and will be times when conservatives and Republicans are on the mark. This wasn't one of those times. We just elected a President who represents a post-divisive America. And even if you don't support his policies, you cannot deny that his was a campaign of inclusion, whose supporters most represented the United States in the new millenium. Of many, we are one.
11.06.08
I have to say that I am pretty shocked here with these responses. The conversation that is taking place is probably AMONG the best that I have read on this site.
I want to make something very clear here, when I talked about the rebuilding of the conservative brand I really think that some "old ways" should be changed. Beth, your response, though containing a few jabs at me, was fantastic and I agree. I think that republicans set themselves up for the abuse they have recently been receiving. The problem is that the politicians that represent the parties we belong to cast us in a horrible light. Democrat citizens are not as liberal and uptight as Nancy Pelosi and certainly don't share her policies. Republican citizens are not as dumb and war hungry as President Bush. By placing ourselves in these categories we open ourselves to the critics as being like our representatives.
I would personally like to see a settlement on GLBT unions within the republican party so that we can move past it. I would also like a stronger idea on abortion, where most of us will differ. I lean a little bit in cases concerning rape, incest and harm to the mother BUT the harm better be WELL defined. I don't want to hear that a mother's weight gain will throw her off balance and she could stub her toe, I am talking about life and death stuff. That people, is a personal opinion so keep your pitchforks in order.
To be very honest with everyone, and the reason why I disagree with zak on this issue, I would have loved to see an all black race for the presidency. Clarence Thomas against Barack Obama, or completely different people, that is not the point. The point I am trying to make is that there "seems" to be a huge shift to the left in this country but really this came from a hatred of the Bush administration and an emotional feeling to make history with the first black president. Had we had a black republican and black democrat running I would have loved to see people looking at the issues but this race was largely decided on race. There are those out there who are racists that voted for McCain solely because Obama is black, yet, there are those that voted for Obama just to "make history" and that is just as offensive.
Anyway, I am glad to see that for the most part people responding on this are abstaining from the name calling and have good open conversations. That's what writing is all about in a blog, to open up discussion about broader things in politics, yet there are those that like to attack the individual on their "opinions". So far this has been good.
11.06.08
"Another piece of bad news, apparently Obama, Pelosi, Reid and other head democrats want to silent the voices of opposition. A lot of people will argue that it pertains only to conservative talk radio with regards to the Fairness Doctrine but I have a feeling it runs much deeper. Bush opened the door with being able to anonymously say that someone you know may be a terrorist, now Obama will use the same method to silent the voices of opposition to him. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if blogger sites like mine are eventually shut down if they have an anti-Obama message."
I call shenanigans.
11.06.08
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/06/29/google-shuts-...
and
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/30/google-and-the-anti-obama-blogg...
Looks like in this "past" case it had to do with the supporters really being the antagonists in this case.
11.06.08
@Chris,
I visited the links you supplied and nowhere did I see Obama, Pelosi or Reid named as the perpetrators or even remotely responsible for the shutdown of any blogs.
11.06.08
Office Newb - thanks for your response. Chris, with respect, I do question if these "shut downs" Really happened as described, or if they were just filibuster..
Considering the Thousands of sites that were anti Obama, but there are a select few that were "shut down" really brings a hmm to question..
Not sure if I personally know of anyone who voted for Obama because he was black; though I am a sure that there were a few... I know I didn't, but, we Cannot discount that the fact that He IS black is of More significant importance to the Hundreds of Millions of people in America and the world.
Never in history has american politics created such a huge impression of the civilians of the world.. For one evening, one day, and maybe much longer, the world appeared United politically for once. Different Customs, religions, and ethics, they all celebrated the election of this man.
It is difficult to surmise if he were black republican would this had happened, because he is not a black republican. What we do know is that to many of us, he was the Most qualified candidate, and the Amazing Historical making part of this is that he is Black
The best comment I heard about this -- when our Grandkids look back at this all, the question they would ask us is -- what took us so long.
Chris, you may find it insulting that an individual may have been voted based upon his race.. but there are many who may find that comment offensive, or one that demonstrates lack of empathy..
Barrack Obama becoming the first Black President in over 200 Years of American History well.. that in itself is something to really step back and consider..
Why DID it take us so long????
Karen M
www.hirecentrix.com
11.06.08
Well Newb, like i said it looked like that was a case of others and not leaders...if you had read my full comment.
I did however find this interesting piece from Michelle Malkin's website. Skip the commentary if you want but the links are pretty extensive that she provides...thanks for the feedback though.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/29/barack-the-silencer-obamas-gangland...
11.06.08
Yes, Karen, it seemed for that part that it pertained specifically to Google's Blogger accounts.
Thanks for your comments and you are right about having the first black president, that is why I, despite political differences with policies, congratulated him immediately in this post and that is truly an amazing thing.
11.06.08
Chris,
You can't expect me to take Michelle Malkin's information anymore seriously than if I were to send you an article from editorial from Keith Olbermann. Malkin is ridiculous and likely descends from a long line of witch hunters. She is still heavily harping on the William Ayers connection, she needs to leave the dead horse be.
If any blogs were being shut down that were anti-Obama, perhaps it was because the information on those sites were spreading slander and obviously false information. Its unfortunate Google couldn't shut down the Palin rallies for the same reasons.
This was the main problem I saw with the Republican campaign and why I think there was such a vast exodus of Republican voters over to the Obama camp. The only "issues" McCain/Palin supporters would bring to the table were mainly falsehoods, and claims from misleading sources. See: Muslim, Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Stalinist(a Malkin fav.), terrorist. etc etc. If false claims of a similar magnitude were being aimed at the McCain camp I would have no problems with seeing those blogs being shut down as well.
Even from Malkin's post, its mostly hearsay with a countless amount of unanswered or partially answered questions.
Now Chris, I truly don't think you're a racist, though this is just one of several posts where you have had to outright tell everyone you're not. I don't know you and I have no right making an assumption like that but some of the things you wrote were very two faced and I question the thought process behind some of your convictions.
Obama has not even taken office and you're already saying he should man up to his mistakes. What mistakes? And then you go onto foreshadow that there maybe there will be a terrorist attack (apparently because Obama is in charge), and that he's going to raise taxes and put the economy into a depression. Maybe crazy Obama will also mandate Drive-In Abortion Clinics be attached to all Arby's. Slow down there chicken little.
You can't wish a man congratulations while at the same time spitting in his face.
If Republicans want to discuss the economy and Clinton's hand in the mortgage crisis, I am in for that. That is a discussion. That is all above board, and the link to the NY Times article was a really great one. But I also know many people strictly laying blame to the Dems for the Economy because of the Clinton administration which is equally ludicrous. Bush was in power for eight years after Clinton but somehow those same Republicans still believe the GOP had nothing to do with the economy. The only word I can think of to describe this logic is, retarded. Both sides played a part in some way, and its time to stop assigning blame and start solving problems.
Though I never ever agree with you, I am glad I read your post today, if only for your NY Times article. It gave me a new informed perspective and sent me off researching in that direction. I thought it was a strong point, so thanks for that.
11.07.08
Chris,
Spent a lot of time thinking about this conversation, even discussed it with a few friends. Many who know me are aware that it finally took 20 years for me to get my citizenship because I wanted to make sure I voted for in this election. I wanted Change.
During the Primary Election and Having lived so long in a country where it was common to hear jokes that were along the line that sure, THAT (emphasis) will happen when a Black Man becomes a president…. Well a vote to a Black Man Named Barrack Hussein Obama well for me, it seemed like a possibly throw away vote. I wanted Change, and would I be “giving away” a vote for my freedom to this man, even though I honestly did approve of his vision. – (I even wrote an article about it “what’s in a name” http://tinyurl.com/6q2xv2
Yes, it was a challenge, as I sat in that booth, the day of the primary election – My FIRST VOTE EVER (emphasis) and I wanted it to Count, I wanted to be a realistic voice to the changes that we finally needed in our country – I “succumbed” and voted for Obama. I am grateful today! And Yes as I said it does go deeper than because he was the Obvious BEST person for the job. (a national opinion), but yes, because he was a man of colour.
I cannot forget that, no matter how much someone may suggest that I should.. and Please humor me as I explain to you why -
Today I CAN hold my granddaughter who is also multiracial, and I can look deep into her eyes, and tell her that YES you CAN one day be president if YOU want to! Yes YOU Will be able to do that!
NOT ONCE (again for emphasis) in my life when living in this country, Not Once, when I looked at other countries who have more social bridges than we do, but yet they have broken so many of these barriers to have Women as presidents or leaders of their countries.. NOT ONCE, did I honestly believe that I would see a black man ever become a president of the United States of America in my lifetime
As a recruiter, instead I saw with sadness discrimination rise more and more in the workplace. Over 2000 Percent since 1974 (2003) – and lawsuits filed doubled since 1992, average case load for EEOC investigators tripled since 1992.. I saw this discrimination and like many in America, almost “accepted” this as fact or just the way it was / is, and something that so many have attempted to change, one person at a time.. but.. reality..
So, Chris, I like many who live here, and like many of my friends, we lived Every Day realizing in the back of our head, that my or their son, or daughter didn’t have a fighting chance to become a president of this free world..
Until Barack Obama came into the picture; Not only did he bring Charisma, and Professionalism; What he lacked in Experience in one Area, he made up with presentation of his Ability. He demonstrated a strength that gave hope not only to Us here on the mainland, but to Hundreds of other Countries in the world.
Today Chris, for the first time I TRULY (emphasis) believe in my country, that they as a United America will allow finally dreams to materialize for EVERY Individual – no matter their name, creed, race, religion, sex..
I do finally believe that we are beginning to see the People for WHO they are, and their Ability and not just the façade of their appearance.
Do I believe that it will automatically change everywhere? In the workplace? In the Day to day of life? No! of course not! And especially, more so in Certain States of America.
But, today, I have more than hope.. Today, I can Believe that Yes all dreams can come true for EVERYONE in America!
Karen Mattonen
www.hirecentrix.com
11.11.08
Sorry for the delayed reaction to everyone, busy here at work all the time.
Anyway,
@Mike- The things I say are two-faced, very interesting, so apparently when I try to make my points VERY clear on where I stand and WHY I stand there (including saying I am not racist and giving reasons) that is cause for being called two-faced. Well I will tell you what Mikey, I certainly liked the two face character in the Dark Knight movie. That has absolutely nothing to do with politics but really that attack on me was so far outta left field I had to answer with something of the same.
Okay lets hit upon some of your points.
#1 Michelle Malkin's blog-When I provided that link, I also noted that you can skip the commentary and head straight for the resource links. That is honestly the first time I have read her stuff but i have heard of her, I didn't link to her for her but for her links.
#2 I never said that Obama was a muslim or terrorist...the other names you mentioned, I hold my own reservations.
#3 The chicken little comments-Mike that is due to the wording of his own VP, foot-in-mouth Biden. He said that Obama would be tested within the first six months of his term. This could be taken as later explained that ANY president would be tested. What upset those that are intelligent, is that Biden went on to say that "you may not like or agree with the actions we take but you should stick with us", leading those to believe that we would be attacked and MORE THAN LIKELY Obama will sit by without a course of action. It is reading into the words a little but for Biden to say we will not like the action/inaction taken is also pointing out that they KNOW of a situation and ALREADY have a course of action planned...and we will not like it! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections... kinda my idea on how Obama will tackle things when it comes to the economy. You see he will raise taxes on everyone, it is just going to happen, and all those that voted for him bought it hook line and sinker. Your comment about an addition to Arby's with a drive up abortion clinic is absolutely ridiculous as well. Arby's isn't that popular anymore. I think it would be more like a Subway (since it is healthier and the Subway guy could sponsor them) or McDonalds, that way they can say "you get drunk and make a few mistakes, come here for your hangover food and get rid of that other side effect from the person you brought home with you"---Have a sense of humor people.
#4 "You can't wish a man congratulations while at the same time spitting in his face.", Mikey, let me make a few key points here. First off, I am congratulating him on his historical significance and a win, I most certainly (last I checked) have the right to disagree with him on his policies and stances. Essentially my blog will be running on his mistakes or choices for the next four years at least!
Another thing I want to point out. Had McCain won, do you think any of the liberal bloggers on this site would have taken a second out of their day to congratulate him?? Hell, there are some bitter liberals on here who are still laying into Sarah Palin, hey whiners, the election is over and she went back to Alaska...put your pitchforks away and start preparing for your next protest at a soldiers funeral, you know, business as usual.
11.11.08
Chris,
sometimes it isn't what someone says that holds much but actually what is not said.. that is. Also what can be read between the lines
Take this comment to which you go on to mention attack.. well, considering that we are in the midst of the Biggest
World Crisis, wouldn't it have been safe to suggest that a test of Obama's presidency would actually be based upon the financial sector.
IE what is happening today - That if the big 3 automotive were to crash, we lose about 25 Percent of the Jobs in the U.S.. would that not be one of the greatest test? Wouldn't this be considered a crisis, and not necessarily an "attack" on our country?
I don't recall Mike stating that you made those comments, but in regards to your own comments even in the following statement there is again the Implication..
With respect, as one of those who Is Intelligent and voted for Obama - well, it is more than fair to recognize that all we have is assumptions as to what Biden was saying, but to decide what another's plan of action is...well isn't that a bit questionable?
If one really believes individuals would not have been congratulating McCain, maybe then that is a loud declaration of the lack of belief in his candidacy.. wait, I guess the declaration was when he lost, even in the red states..
Look, this isn't an attack on you, but more on the comments addressed a couple of times by several people..
You do appear to protest a lot Chris.. does that make you a racist? No.. do I think you are one? Nah.. but.. as I said before, it is often what a person doesn't say that holds the most weight..
something my momma always told me, I would like to share.. if you hear something more than once and it really bugs you.. maybe one should reflect on it.. cause there may possibly be something there.
Yours was a good post, not only because it was written well, but also because it shared a different perspective. It is neither right nor wrong - it is different! and it is from that different view that we all learn from each other.
Thank you for allowing us to also share our different perspective as well, even if we don't always agree.
Karen M
11.12.08
Thanks Karen,
I want to clear up a stupid mistake I made in the above comment. It is radical religious people who usually protest soldier funerals, frankly I can't stand those people and they make me extremely angry. It was a bad call on my part and I wanted to call myself out on it before someone else did.
Anyway thanks for the feedback everyone.
11.12.08
Chris,
I really enjoyed your perspective in the post and also in the responses to the comments.
I see your points and have experienced personally what some are calling your generalizations, for example: I'm registered independent and vote equally Dem and Rep, depending. I'm married to a rep who can openly admit flaws in Reagan, and both Bushies. Yet, my dem friends get hysterical when anyone criticizes a past dem president, as if they are themselves under attack.
So I appreciated your perspective and was glad to see you in my BC google alert. Congrats on that!
So now, I have to ask: What is up With tHe raNDoM CApitaliZations frOM the CoMMeNters? It really takes some of the wind out of the sails; the opposite of the intended effect, I'm sure.
11.12.08
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