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Posted On 10.23.08

Since college I’ve had three major transitions in my life.  Going to college.  Studying abroad.  Getting a job.

Transitioning to college was great.  Social interactions were easy for one reason:  we were all in the same situation. It was everyone’s first time being on their own and being in a new world that no one had experienced before.  If you’re in a social situation and you don’t know how to act, you look to your peers for

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Susan
10.23.08

Andy - Great post! I understand that it can be a difficult transition, but I also believe that a lot of it depends on you. Big corporations function differently from any other workplace I've seen, but something I've noticed is that you'll get those office politics anywhere. Try to stay neutral and focus on your own tasks -- it's fascinating as the observer, but it can be hell if you're a part of it.

There is A LOT to learn, in any new position. Personally, when I start a new job, I can't wait to learn everything there is because that kind of knowledge provides a kind of comfort level -- you can talk with customers/clients and have confidence in your ability and you become the "go to" person. That being said, it's going to take time and something to remember is that you're never going to know everything (or everyone), and that's always refreshing, too, as it prevents the job from going stale.

Your point about having no credibility being just out of college hit home. When I entered my second job in a large corporation, my boss was very quick to undermine me due to my age and overall inexperience in the workforce. I worked hard and quickly proved my value as an employee, I exceeded everyone's expectations, and showed that age and previous experience has little to do with performance, efficiency, and motivation. Yes, you have to work hard, but that is really what pays off...

Offer your opinion, make suggestions, put your own spin on projects, and have confidence in your abilities. You might be amazed at the results.

Best of luck!

Andy Drish
10.23.08

@Susan - Thanks for the advice!

Another frustrating part is finding information. Whenever I needed information before, a quick Google search can find what I need 90% of the time...

But that doesn't work anymore. Now I have to find the right person in the right department who might be able to point me in the right direction... I get annoyed just writing about it.

Chad
10.23.08

I recommend everyone try daytrading futures from home. No corporate non-sense, you can set your own hours, work from anywhere on your terms and the money is just so nice.

I made more shorting YM futures in the downturn than probably 5 years in a cubicle.

Craig
10.23.08

I just got my first "real job" in Jan 2007, so I know exactly what you're going through. I agree almost 100% with you. The only point I disagree on is not speaking up in meetings. You should always speak up if you believe you have something to offer either as a resolution or of skepticism. You just have to be a little more PC about the skepticism part until you earn your place. Doing this will earn you respect and recognition amongs your superiors, but not always with your supervisor.

Craig

Holly Hoffman
10.23.08

No, Andy, you shouldn't just suck it up! ;)

This is really difficult stuff. Like you said, in college we've been given free reign over our life, our hours, our clothes, our interests, our politics; we've been taught to speak our minds and to express ourselves, only to have it all yanked away in corporate life. I can't even go to an Obama rally because I work for a media company. Talk about losing self-expression.

As to the living stuff, it takes time to adjust. I've been in my position for 18 months (a Gen Y miracle!), and I'm still struggling. I've changed my hours to 9-6 from 8-5, and am swinging back around to 8-5 again. I've had to learn how to pack the kinds of food I like to eat, and no matter what it seems like there aren't enough hours in the day.

In the end, until we're in charge, I'm not sure we'll be comfortable. Until we change the workplace, I think we'll always be struggling against it. And I think that's OK. As long as we realize it. I've learned to embrace it. I don't *want* to fit in with an 8-5 corporate culture that gossips about other depts and represses your free thinking, puts off creative ideas that are too risky, even without costing money. ::sigh:: So, yeah, I feel you.

Robert Sofia
10.23.08

Ok Andy, Here's the deal:

The things you mentioned are bona fide challenges that are ever looming in corporate America. If you want to be successful, you only have to worry about four simple things:

1) Forget about office politics and red tape. You cant change them and you cant usually circumvent them. Just do your job.
2) Work as hard as you can and never produce anything that is less than your best.
3) Always speak up when what you have to say is in the best interests of the company.
4) Be nice to people.

The result will be that over time you will earn the respect and acknowledgment you deserve.

Trust me on this one. I've been there!

Andy Drish
10.23.08

@Chad - That's about as far away from my ideal job as I can think... But kudos if it works for you.

@Craig - I suppose the problem with not speaking up comes from not understanding the industry/how things work/etc... It's easy to speak up with a great idea, but I find myself being a lot quieter on the day-to-day meetings and discussions. Thanks for the tip.

@Holly - How true! College gave us complete freedom... but it all went out the window when we started working. Weird how that works. And I agree that we need to embrace it this culture while we're in it... but it's much easier to embrace something when there is a pre-defined end in the back of our minds.

@Robert - I don't think you can completely ignore office politics... I think the key is *understanding* office politics, how they work, and when someone is using them... but not activitely engaging in them.

I just finished a corporate training titled "Building Credibility and Influence"; we had to read a book titled "Survival of the Savvy." I hate office politics... but that book puts a lot of things into perspective.

KateNonymous
10.23.08

Great post! I would say that this is also true, to a lesser extent, every time you change jobs. Hopefully the time spent establishing your credibility is shorter, because by then you have your own track record, but different companies (and often different departments within the same company) can have distinct cultures because the people are different. So there's always a learning curve.

Holly Hoffman
10.23.08

Yes, to some extent we do have to play office politics - one could argue that by not playing we are playing. We're the guy or gal who doesn't get involved, who doesn't socialize, etc. But the forces are at work. How you play them and to what extent is up to you. Not all politicking is bad. "Office politics" doesn't necessarily mean back-stabbing, ends justify the means, gossip, or ass-kissing. It can mean encouraging yourself to participate in water cooler talk about TV (a particular nuisance for me), or even just making a goodwill tour of your office (Hey, so-and-so, how's it going over here? Yeah, we're swamped too!). It can even mean finding a mentor. Really, it ought to be called office social intelligence. It's just a new social circle, like you said, Andy.

Also, I wanted to share something cool. I got a promotion and my mentor at the corporate level told me the hardest thing for me was going to be credibility. So she laid out a game plan: "For the first couple of months, you're going to CC me on every email, and I'm going to back you up and say "Yes, Holly is right. That's how it should go." Then, after a few months, you won't need me. You'll have your credibility." I thought that was cool. All you need is one person with a lot of credibility to back you for a while, then you'll be there.

Amy
10.23.08

- Ditto: Be good to others. By good, I mean respectful. Even if it's not reciprocated.

- Worry less about making yourself look good and more about making those around you look good. If they feel they can trust you and that you have their backs, they will give you more responsibility.

- Once people trust you, you've got 'em for life. If they move to another company, they'll think of you when looking to add staff. If they get promoted, they'll think of you when they have an opportunity to add the next, "can do" person.

- DO focus just as much on the social aspects of work as the work. Network, invite people out for lunch, and if there are ways to blow off steam at work like foosball or basketball league, get into it.

- Focus on building relationships with people you genuinely like and look up to. Don't dismiss the rest, but if you fake it with people you don't respect, you'll find yourself having to play their game more than you should - and you'll miss out on opportunities with people you DO respect.

- Remember, it's not about being some other person's ideal example of a top dog in your field. It's about knowing YOUR strengths, weaknesses, likes and dislikes. At some point, you'll be find that you'll either have to break the mold or compromise yourself forever. If you truly know yourself and how YOU shine, then you'll be well equipped for forge a brand new path. And THAT's what makes people wish they were YOU!

Andy Drish
10.23.08

@Holly - Your mentor sounds brilliant! That's a great idea for building credibilty.

I guess that goes to show how important it is to have a good mentor...

Lia
10.23.08

As someone who is new to Corporate America, I can definitely relate to that uncomfortable "I can't put my finger on it" feeling. However, after a lot of soul-searching, I've decided that I am more suited to become a nurse. I enjoy the challenges posed by medicine, and I also like the scheduling options and overseas opportunities that are available to nurses. Although I am not sure when I am going to make the transition to the medical field, I am happy to finally discover what it is I want to do with my life. Great post!

Andy Drish
10.23.08

@Lia - Woah... A nurse? Where did that come from? And made you come to that realization? That's quite a change from Corporate America. Feel free to share here or shoot me an email. I'm curious to hear your story...

Anonymous
10.23.08

Thought of the day - why are we given so much responsibility in college and we are left to fend for ourselves only to be treated like a child in corporate america?

Kathleen
10.23.08

Andy, I wonder if it would make you feel any better if you knew that ALL of us, regardless of number of years in the workforce, number of days/years in a job, or in a hobby or in any other activity, go through the EXACT same four stages of learning - over and over and over and over again. So, just as you're experiencing:
1. unconscious incompetence (don't even know what you don't know - blissful ignorance!)
2. conscious incompetence (0uch - you're reminded repeatedly about what you don't know)
3. Conscious competence (double ouch - you've learned what to do, but it takes you much longer than everybody else. Time for Tylenol on this one. )
4. Unconscious competence (the glory of autopilot . .. ),

so is everybody else. About some aspect of their job, or in some aspect of their life. Take heart in that what you're experiencing is a very universal human condition. You're in good company!
Great post. Thanks.

Sarah
10.23.08

Andy- As I've just wrapped up day 2 on my second real life job in Corporate America, I can totally relate to the questions you pose here. My first job was in a bank--right after I graduated with my degree in English. I couldn't have felt more out of place or more like I had to keep my mouth shut in every staff meeting.

What I've learned is that there is going to be that transitionary period. There's inevitably going to be times when we feel like we don't have anything to contribute or like the office politics are going to smother us. But what I know is that these are times to learn. Use this time to observe your peers, to find out who you should go to to get the answers you need, or to feel out the office politics.

I'm a firm believer however, that if you have something to say, you should say it. Who knows, your suggestion just might be the one to help land the next big account or to take your company in a whole new direction. No one will look down on you for trying to be involved: it can only make you a more valuable employee.

11.18.09

So what now Mr Drish? One year on - how is it going?

Have you found your feet, found what you can offer that others can't, brought a fresh perspective to the same old same old, pointed out any unneccessary duplications or pointless processes, improved their new hire integration programme or helped subsequent new hires settle in? I guess you've learnt a lot and bonded with some of your colleagues which should help you feel like you are making a positive contribution now.

I am all ears !!

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