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Posted On 09.22.08

There is a $700 billion bailout. You’ve got to be kidding me.

My husband and I were watching the news over the weekend, listening to commentary about the bailout. How it is a bold move. How it is the largest bailout since the Great Depression.

The kids I haven’t even made yet are going to be paying for their grandparents’ mistakes. And, to quote my grandfather, it “really burns me up”.

It kills me that the tax payers are going to be paying for this situation. I haven’t asked you to pay for my mistakes, why should I be paying for yours?

I really wonder about what kind of benefit this bailout would have.

While I ranted like a lunatic at Brian about the situation, I started spewing out random ideas that I thought would be better. And one of them might actually be better.

If people are insistent that there be some sort of bailout, why not bail out student loans? After all, something around 50% of recent college graduates have student loans. Studentdebtalert.org goes so far as to say that 39% of college grads have “unmanageable” levels of student loan debt.

What would happen if that $700 billion dollars was used to bail out current students or graduates? How would that impact the economy? How would that influence our economic future?

At the moment, my student loan payments are larger than our mortgage. And our mortgage is cheaper than renting in our area. What would an extra thousand dollars in our pocket do for us every month?

And we aren’t the only ones in this situation. Every couple we know has student loan debt. And Brian and I are lucky ones because he doesn’t have any student loans to pay. We only have to carry my debt with us while most of our friends have payments to make for two people.

I should also make sure I say that I don’t believe that a student loan bailout would be a good idea either but playing with the “what if” is always a good idea.

If your student loans disappeared, how would it change your life? Would you still be in your current line of work or would you pursue something different? Would you stay in the part of the country where you live now or would you have more freedom to explore new places? Would you buying your own home or would you keep renting?

What would you do with that extra money?

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Irina I
09.22.08

Do not tease me like this. My student loans (taken out in my name and in the name of my parents) are a constant source of anxiety. And it really annoys me that the U.S. government bailed out the banks and bankers that got themselves into this trouble, while leaving the youth of the nation in debt.

Josh Schroeder
09.22.08

I'm not an economist, but to answer the question "why not bail out student loans?"

You can't repossess an education. There is no foreclosing upon a college degree.

And in theory (I stress IN THEORY), if you have a college degree, you should be qualified for better paying jobs than flipping burgers, etc. so you should be able to improve your economic situation. Unless collateral is put up, a student loan is unsecured.

Not only that, but the bank (or whatever institution owns your mortgage) doesn't want to foreclose on a house because it costs them money, time, personnel, and resources. In other words, the banks lose in foreclosure, too.

I'm kind of opposed to student loans (at least from the government) in the first place. Students are allowed to put themselves into huge debt, and colleges know that they (the government) won't run out of money. It's for "the kids" and "the future" and won't be cut. So there's no control on costs. Who cares how high tuition is? Student Loans! The consumer has little power because they're not paying for college with their own money.

Both the housing/credit crisis and the college tuition/student loan issues are bad, but my gut feeling is that the former is in worse shape and could do more damage if not taken care of.

But I am getting sick of all these bailouts.

Josh Schroeder
09.22.08

@Irina I - The youth don't vote. And if when we do, that's not the issue deciding who we vote for. And the youth aren't big donors, either. We're not putting any pressure on these elected officials. There's no incentive for Congress to help us: there's nothing in it for them to help us and they face no negative consequences if they don't.

Unless we develop carrots and/or sticks, they won't act.

Dorie Morgan
09.22.08

@Irina - Sorry for the tease but its an interesting question to ask.

@Josh Schroeder - What led you to be opposed to student loans from the government?

And I wonder how long it will take for the student loan issue to become just as bad as the housing crisis...

Tim
09.22.08

@Josh- in every election in history, you would have been right, except this one. The youth does vote, and the youth turned out in record numbers in the freaking primaries!

Is it absurd to expect that I should be able to pressure Congress with just the power of my vote, even though I'm not a major donor or a corporation?

This cynicism will ruin us. We have the votes to take every single one of them out of office.

As for carrots, I think that their salaries and being above the law when it comes to sex and financial scandals is reward enough for their "public service."

That being said- I hate the bailout, but it is still better than the alternative of letting the whole financial system go down.

Josh Schroeder
09.22.08

@Dorie Morgan - I liken it to the problem of medical insurance - there is this huge pile of money, it's as good as a big blank check. It's not the consumer's money being spent, so consumers will spend whatever providers will charge. Prices go through the roof to the point that if they didn't have insurance and had to pay with their own money, it's way too expensive. It's like a Ponzi scheme - unsustainable over the long term.

This is what government student loans have done to the price of college tuition, in my view. In a free market, a fair price is what both sides agree to. But with student loans, Uncle Sam will cover whatever you can't (or don't want to cover). It causes consumers to become irresponsible and colleges to be greedy.

Josh Schroeder
09.22.08

@Tim- It remains to be seen. The youth may very well turn out more than they have in previous cycles. Whether they do or not, they're not a voting bloc the way that the AARP retirees are. The youth vote isn't about student loan debt.

It's not absurd or cynical. It's just realistic. Everybody wants everything - there are competing interests on every issue. And incumbents want to be reelected. I'm not saying there is a complete lack of altruism in Washington, D.C., but Congressmen have to prioritize. If you run a cost/benefit analysis from Congressman X's perspective, he's not losing any votes by giving this issue a low priority. And if he tries to fix it, he's up against 434 others who won't go for it, and if they did, they're giving someone the short end of the stick. Higher negatives for the Congressman who chooses this path. So it's a net loss for the Congressman to help college graduates in debt. Not worth it to stick his neck out if it's going to be chopped off.

It's just not a high enough priority. That's all.

So if we want this problem to be addressed, the public needs to create consequences (positive or negative) to make it a higher priority.

CRH
09.22.08

I would LOVE for the government to bail me out of my student loan debt, but I'm sure they only see the money I owe them as "small change" and it wouldn't do much to help the economy. I'll tell you what though, if they were to forgive my debt, it would do a great deal to help my household economy. Having that off of me would give me an opportunity to have better health care or give me a chance to actually put more money into my 403B and 401k (although with the stock market the way that it is, I'm scared to do much of anything with it).

Holly Hoffman
09.22.08

I think this is a really interesting idea. Could that money that all these young people would be saving go to helping the economy stabilize, nay FLOURISH? I'm no economist, so I can't say. But here are my numbers:

Monthly student debt payments: $360
Percentage of monthly income: 16%
Yearly student debt payment: $4,320
Years before I pay off my student loans: 8.5 (11 if you count deferment for b-school)
Age I will be when student loans are repaid: 35 (!)

Let's just say I'd be buying a home, investing in the stock market, saving for retirement and stimulating the electronics economy a lot more and a lot sooner!

Anonymous
09.22.08

I want a bail out on my student loan, then we can talk about bailing out guys with $20 million bonuses. What a mess!

Beth
09.22.08

If my student loans disappeared, my life would change dramatically. Right now, a third of my income goes to student loans. If I got that money back, I would be able to buy a house in six months, I would pay off my car in one year, or I would go on an exotic vacation every three months. That is how much of a difference it would make.

The more I think about it, the more I am starting to think that it is a great idea!

I would probably follow my life long dream: to be a DJ/popstar. Hopefully that would make me famous and wealthy. More likely than not, I would be headed back to law. But without the loans, I would at least be able to find out.

Dorie Morgan
09.22.08

@CRH - That sounds like the way I've been thinking about it.

@Holly - I'm surprised the coffee house wasn't at the top of that list! Which in turn makes me wonder, would more Gen Y venture down the entrepreneurial path?

@Beth - I think the freedom to try the life long dreams is something a price tag can't even be placed on (and if you find a way to be popstar by night/law by day, let me know)

Vanessa
09.22.08

@Josh I have a hard time believing that government loans alone have contributed to rising education costs. A lot of the price increase have to do simply with increased demand for higher education.

I would imagine a student debt bailout would have a huge impact. You have to wonder how many 20-30 somethings don't buy property because they are still paying off student loans. I think it's telling the bailout as supported by the White House is almost exclusively targeted toward bailing out only companies without addressing issues of executive compensation, direct support to affected homeowners, and others that are of interest at the microeconomic level.

Adam Pieniazek
09.22.08

The best bailout would be no bailout. Period. Bailouts beget bailouts. That first bailout was supposed to solve some problems and instead it just alerted the banks that they don't have to fix their own problems because Uncle Sam will bail them out!

Instead of fixing people's mistakes, we should reward their accomplishments and level the playing field for everyone via platforms like universal health care and free college.

Josh Schroeder
09.22.08

@Vanessa- I'm not saying it was the sole cause, but it was a major contributor.

Dorie Morgan
09.23.08

@Josh - What else do you think contributed to rising education costs?

Ben Overmyer
09.23.08

A bailout is only a temporary fix, it's not a long term solution to the student debt problem.

What we really need is to reduce the actual cost of a college degree. Fixing this may require us to revisit how we earn college educations - perhaps we need more apprenticeships/internships involved in the process.

Anonymous
09.23.08

Yes, just like your grandfather said, this bailout really burns me up. Why couldn't they let all those CEO's who lived the life of luxury pay for this? Unlike you though. I'd love to see them bail out the student loan. That will have been a better use of the money. I would not have minded paying for that kind of bailout.

Evelyn Guzman
Debt Challenger

Dorie Morgan
09.23.08

@Adam - How would free college improve the situation? Would state schools be free? What would be the requirements to get in/stay in?

@Ben - I look at the way my husband earned his "education" as a carpenter and I sometimes wish my college experience had been more like that. While he learned, he earned a livable wage and acquired and entire skill set. Now he has a career his love and no need to pay off gen-eds from freshman year.

@Evelyn - Part of me would love to see student loans bail outs but that part of me would also love to hit the lottery on a ticket I never bought and spend the rest of my days getting massages poolside. But a girl can dream.

Parsing Nonsense
09.23.08

Oh my goodness, that would be incredible but it would unfortunately only do what the current bailout is doing: continue to devalue our currency.

I think the only real solution to all this bad debt is to cut government spending and, as such, lessen the tax burden on American citizens. The tax break we could receive if the government stopped living like the country-equivalent of Paris Hilton would be more than the money we shell out for my student loan payments.

Allow young people to opt out of paying Social Security (hello, paying for someone else's mistakes!) and cut us loose of all the bureacracy that's stifling our country and economy to death. That's what I say.

Eileen
09.23.08

I can tell you what it's like for me to live without student loan debt, thanks to a wealthy father. I live and work in an area where housing is very expensive, so I do not own property. I doubt that I would have the skills or inclination to take care of a house. I earn a decent income that is well above the national average but is considered low in my field and unlikely to grow much if I stay in my job. If I had to repay student loans as well as pay my current rent, I would not be able to to save anything unless I moved into a cheaper place and gave up much of my current lifestyle. As it is, my job allows me time to pursue hobbies that are not all that cheap but may eventually lead to an additional (or a new) income source, and I have plenty of savings. I could do better if I were more dedicated to my career, but I like other things better.

Anonymous
09.24.08

If the dishonest government officers will not bailout the student loan debt like they have every country, business and so forth that have walked the halls of our congress, Screw them!

I now consider my debt paid in full. Already contacting a law firm so we can begin suing the government for discharge of our student loan debt.

Fair is fair and business is business!

Ben Overmyer
09.30.08

Good luck with that, Anonymous. No matter what you think you're entitled to, you signed a contract, and contracts are binding.

LloydChiro
10.17.08

Sign me up for a student loan bailout. I'm so underwater with my student loans, that I don't see any end in sight. I think I will be well into my senior years still holding a student loan debt.

Here's the thing: At least make them dischargable through bankruptcy! If a person takes the chance to enter into a specific field and fails, starts a business and fails, that person should be allowed to discharge all business debt. This includes the educational loans.

Anonymous
11.18.08

Seriously, do you think there's a way current 20 and 30 yr olds can join together and become a critical mass with a voice?

Is there anyone else/ any groups working on this?

My life would be way different if I didn't have the constant anxiety of student debt.

Anonymous
11.18.08

Hey Anonymous with the law firm -- is it working.

B/c I'll readily join in a class action!

Let us know who the law firm is.

Thanks.

Anonymous
11.18.08

I would love for some kind of bail out on my student loans. I am over 80,000 in student loan debt. I have to pay 750 dollars a month just in student loans. That does not even include my husbands student loans. Or any of our other bills we have to pay to survive or to care for our daughter.

Why don't they actually bailout the American people rather than the banks and execs that have money. And for those out there saying you have a degree you can get a good job, you live in the midwest and get a job right out of college. I am lucky if I can get 25,000 a year to start off. This doesn't cover my student loans, daycare, and gas to get to my job, not to mention anything else we have to pay.

How about they actually do something to help out the real problem?! Help out the American people and the economy will recover on its own.

PhD
11.23.08

If my student loan debt was canceled, first I'd jump for joy, dance a jig, and sing the Hallelujah Chorus. Then I'd go shopping. Being free of that debt would change my life completely. When I first got out of grad school, I had a well-paying job, but that job died 5 years ago and nothing I've been able to find since then can compare. So what do you suppose my prospects are over the next 5 years? I've been struggling to keep up with those monthly payments. I buy shoes only when the ones I'm wearing have holes in them. I've forgotten what the inside of a restaurant or a department store looks like. Airline tickets? If only. Buy a house? Ha ha ha. When I took out my student loans in grad school, everybody I knew said don't worry about the debt -- the numbers look big now, but the economy will keep growing, you'll make good money, and those payments will be a lot easier as time goes by. Wrong.

Five years ago I'd never seen a news story about people being impoverished by their student loans. Slowly those stories have trickled into the media, so now I know I'm in good company. CANCEL STUDENT LOAN DEBT, Mr. President -- maybe past a certain threshold, or a certain number of years, or whatever might sweeten the deal. But do it. This is an idea whose time has come. Along with it, of course, universal health care and truly affordable education. They do it in Europe. Why can't we?

Anonymous
11.25.08

At least allow me to write off all $18,000 per year that I pay in interest. I can write it off on my mortgage, why not my school loan? After all, it was a capital investment, right? Also, let me refinance at a lower rate. 8.25% is killing me - and I only make $40K/year. Cancelling the debt - that would save me over $2,500/month between my husband and me on loan payments. Think of the things we could do! Boost the economy - you bet! I'd party like it was 1999!

Anonymous
12.01.08

What I believe that should be done, even if the goverment does not bail out student loans they should just put a stop to student loan payments for a year or 2 with no interest accumalating so we can then have the chance to save money find better jobs and give us a chance to have a life.

With the economy the way it is, jobs are not secure, income is low, rent is high and student loan eat almost all of are income. something has to be done, something.

I am sure if we had the freedom again to spend some money we would put it right back to help the economy in someways

Practical Need
12.30.08

I think the fair thing to do would be to do a case-by-case analysis of each student in debt. Any bailout should be contigent upon the amount, the average annual income of the student since graduating college (only those who've actually graduated would be eligible, and even then dependent on the aforementioned requirements), and an assessment of an and all honest attempts to make payments regulary. Agreed, bailouts are a slippery slope, but if we're going to talk about bailing out individuals with risky credit ratings having made loans on houses they couldn't afford in the first place, and lenders who live luxrious lifestyles from these same bad loans, then why not those of us who were sold a virtual bill-of-good for trying to achieve the American Dream, but falling short due to changing economic tides that were beyond our control?

Danielle
02.06.09

So many opinions...

Writing off all student loan debt would be just one of another temporary fixes and it wouldn't be fair to those who have been paying for years and are just about paid off, or those who would graduate with debt after a temporary program ended.

Two Things that MIGHT help!
1) Changing laws to allow more people to write off student loan interest than currently can
2) Allowing people to take advantage of the current low interest rates with a refinance (Ours are at 6.5%, 5% and 2.8%)

Dan
03.02.09

I agree with what many commentators have said.
1. My student loans were incurred in good faith and my education is, at least generally, for the betterment of society and an investment in the future of America.
2. However, the loan payments take a huge chunk of my paycheck that, honestly, are disproportionate to the value rendered.
3. Federal statutes and lending practices, even non-private loans, are geared towards maximizing profit rather than paying off debt (e.g. compounding principle, paying interest before principle, bankrupcty non-dischargeability and an unlimited or exemption from any statute of limitation).
4. Cancelling, forgiving or paying student loans would put CASH into the pockets of millions of Americans without increasing consumer debt.
5. So far, the bailout is only helping big, bloated, dysfunctional companies try to stem the tide of paper losses that really doesn't have a direct impact on the economy like consumer spending. Meanwhile execs still get paid far more than the median income for their failures and the American taxpayers keep throwing money down a bottomless pit.

Afi G. Osakwe
03.12.09
Anonymous
03.12.09

Bottom line...I CAN NOT pay my my student loan at this time or possibly not in my lifetime!! I took out a student loan for my masters' degree with Sallie Mae in 1999. At the time the total loan with accrued interest, would've be of $40,000. I have been in forebearance for over a year now since my husband lost his job 2 yrs. ago. Now interest has accrued so that if I make the requested payments of $350. a month the total amount paid for the loan would be $61,000. I am 55 years old and a teacher in FL. basically living from paycheck to paycheck...sometimes borrowing from here to pay over there. I stress about the time I reach age of retirement and still have this monkey on my back!! How about bailing us the ones who really need it than the billionaires out there.

Tanya
03.13.09

I love this post. This is a great idea, and not only shows the creativity of youth, but reflects on the reflection of country's culture. Just posting a comment to support and say that, it would be great to push these ideas forward, to some organization that has the social networks to bring these ideas to fruition. I had a small loan from my parents after graduating and I recently paid it off.

I cannot believe our politicians, many who are baby boomers, could understand what our debt as a collective student body will do the country's economy in time. Not only will Gen Y make less than their parents, but we have more debt starting out in life due to college loans.

Mel Crow
03.13.09

In this economy, the entire nation is having to cut financial corners. I have been a college graduate from the Academy of Art University since 2005 and was never able to find a career in my field of study. I had to settle with a local job making much less of an income than anticipated. I've been able to keep up on my very high student loans as of late and was able to manage through a 1 year deferment, hoping that an opportunity to excel with my degree would surface. Unfortunately, that never happened, and after a relocation to another state and the economy trials, a career in my field became even more difficult to become a part of.

So, as of now, I am working at a very low income, with many expenses from student loans that I incurred during my time going to school. With my deferment about to end, and additional student loans about to resurface, I fear that I will not have enough financial means to support myself, as well as keep current on all of my debts. My wife is currently working as a school teacher and bringing in half of the income. She has recently heard news that with an upcoming layoff she will be employed in the next few months, therefore, we can not depend on her income, at this point.

As of now I am forced to pay $500 a month in student loans, and that will raise to $850 in April at the end of my deferment. That is just for student loans. I was hoping to find a position in my field of study before the deferment ended. With this financial strain, and unexpected financial setbacks arising, I am wondering what options I may have to help with my loans for the time being. I do not want to fall short of my student loan payments if I can help it. But at this time, it is near impossible to keep up with the payments that I have, let alone, the added loans next month when my deferment ends. Please get back to me as soon as possible so that we can work together and figure out a way to prevent me from gaining outstanding debts.

I am willing to do everything that I can, to continue to pay my student loan debts, but wanted to make you aware of the financial strain that I am suffering, as I'm sure many others in this nation are as well.

Rob
03.13.09

Would bailing out student loans create more jobs?

LloydChiro
03.16.09

Rob,

Yes. I believe that bailing out student load debt would produce more jobs, both directly and indirectly. Many student loan holders are working professionals who employ support staff. With fewer personal obligations/burdens, the working professional can employ more people, or for longer hours.

Indirectly, the former student loan holders will have more disposable income, spending more to help the local and national economy.

Todd.

Rob
03.19.09

If there is a student loan bailout, would anyone object if the government requires that any unemployed recipients of the bailout adhere to certain regulations to ensure the bailout is not wasted?

For example, requiring unemployed students, PhD or not, to find any kind of suitable job, including digging ditches?

And also, perhaps regulations could be set in place that requires students to buy at least 50% of their consumables from domestic sources?

03.19.09

I have no student loans, but I would not only support a cancellation of student loan debt, but I would also look at our Higher Education structure as well that has allowed students to get in such a financial mess.

I would like to play devils advocate here for a moment. College degrees can't be repossessed. OK, true. With a college degree in theory you can go out there and make money. Again, in theory true. However think about this: not all people who get college degree go out there to become high powered business people making enough to pay back their debts.

There is a large class of individuals who take what they've learned and head for jobs that pay little compared to high powered jobs, but do good for society. Think of teachers, social workers, nurses, doctors and lawyers who work pro-bono. Could these individuals go make lots of money elsewhere? Yes, but they've decided to give back to society by taking lower paid positions for the improvement of all of us.

Perhaps a compromise would be free college education in exchange for a rotation as a public servant. just an idea.

Anonymous
03.19.09

Is there anything we can do to get the governmet administration to listen to our plight? I applied for a loan forgiveness program offered by the federal government to teachers working in a critical shortage field and working in low income (Title I)schools. I qualified in all requirements EXCEPT for 4 months of the date the program began. I applied for my first loan in June 1998 but the requirement states that the applicants have no outstanding balances prior to October 1998. Not fair!!!

03.19.09

"There's only two types of fair, state and county, and this is neither."

Dan
03.21.09

There is something we can all do, sign up at this online petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Real-Economic-Stimulus-Forgive-Student-...
(there is also an affiliated Facebook page), tell everyone you know who might also be interested in this idea (the more people that sign, the more power it'll have) and write your representatives. Although there are a lot of ideas that would need to be fleshed out, I generally agree with Rob. I'm not one of those "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" people because I believe that, except for the rare exception, sociological and individual circumstances can prevent a person from maximizing their potential or achieving their dreams. However, we can't expect something for absolutely nothing. Actually, I think a similar provision should be applied to other areas of governmental policy like unemployment and disability.

Anonymous
04.04.09

Sign me up.I agree with PhD. "CANCEL STUDENT LOAN DEBT, Mr. President--
Help us with our student loan debts. 700 million in bailout-- how about pasting some of those million to the Department of Education Student Loan default /deferrant program. Maybe
past a certain threshold, or a certain number of years, or whatever might sweeten the deal
ain threshold, or a certain number of years, or whatever might helpour student loans finacial burden go away.
this will help the econcomy,lenders(Banks) and the borrower(us) What can we do about the bank getting the deal at the end?

Pay your bills
06.22.09

Are you people kidding me? I had $60,000 of student debt and I've been paying it off, which is my responsibility for borrowing it! I am so tired of people whining and complaining about how unfair it is that they have to repay the money they borrowed, and that the government (thus all of us taxpayers... and our kids... and our grandkids) should pay off the debt they accrued for their poor choices!! YOU owe to repay the money you borrow. Quit expecting everyone else to foot your bill. God. You people make me sick.

If anything, something should be done about the excessively high interest rates and fees that accrue when people fall behind. But you owe, in the least, to pay back in full whatever you chose to borrow. Bailing out everyone's student loans isn't the answer. It's just trading personal debt for more federal debt, which all of us will end up paying for in the long run anyway. And after paying off my own $60k, I don't want to pay your debt too.

I especially love the comments about how people would go on shopping sprees if the government paid their student loans. That would be the very reason why we are in the financial MESS we are in!!

10.01.09

I have to agree with @Payyourbills here. I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who get themselves into debt. You're all smart, educated people, obviously, you have degrees. You are capable of researching your chosen career path and likely salary before making the decision to undertake expensive study in that field. You are also capable and reading a contract, including interest rates, fees etc before signing it. If you do all this and still go ahead it's really no on elses fault and no one else should be made to pay for your decisions.

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