Nursing is a perfectly awesome, honorable, and fun job. I've never done it, but I have at least half a dozen friends who are nurses (guys and girls) and they love it. The hours can work in your favor: I have several friends who work 3x12 hour shifts, get paid (well) for 40 hours of work, and take the next 4 days off and party. Want more money? Pick up another shift and get MAD overtime. Like traveling? You can get a job as a nurse in ANY city in the country, and probably most in the world. You don't have to stress out and be an ER nurse either, there are plenty of departments at the hospital that are laid back.
On another note, undergraduate degrees are worth about as much as HS diplomas, that is, they ain't gonna get you a good job. She can always go to law school or get an MBA and guarantee herself a job. Your friend needs more time to find herself and find a career.
August 19, 2008 6:24 pm
KateNonymous
As a former history major, my advice is always "Don't focus on the content--focus on the skills." When I was in college, people would ask my major and then say, with a rather blank look, "What are you going to do with that? Teach?"
Answer: no. That reflected their lack of imagination, not mine. Hopefully your friend will look at the skills she acquired through her major, and find something that interests her. And even if it doesn't interest her, it may get her to another job that does.
Lance, I'm definitely not trying to pick on nurses by any means. I agree that nursing can be a great job, but you have to truly have a passion for the job. I have friends who are nurses, and from what they tell me the hours and physical demands can be grueling.
My problem with my friend is she would be doing nursing for the wrong reasons. The career change is not likely to make her happy in the long run, and maybe not even in the short run. I agree with you that she needs more time to find herself, but it's interesting that she will not likely read your comment.
Kate, I agree with you as well. I also don't want to seem like I'm picking on earth science majors (or any other majors). I'm not.
But that brings up an interesting point - I don't think you should expect to succeed with any major unless it has a clear, tried and true career path that you want to take, or you're exceptional.
Average people are not likely to do much more than tried and true career paths with their degree. It really takes an exceptional person to study anything they're passionate about and package what they did in undergrad as a set of skills to get any job. Does that make sense?
It sounds like your friend is just impatient. Perhaps earth science is her calling, but to get anywhere with that degree, you are both right, it could take years.
Perhaps she doesn't have the stamina, and that's another issue entirely.
My undergrad degree was in music, and even though I like to complain it didn't give me any practical skills, who needs an opera singer in their company? I cannot ignore that it gave me something. I have to think creatively about what I got out of it for "conventional" jobs...stage presence=good interview skills, great with face to face client meetings; ability to sing in 8 different languages=easily adaptable to new information, willing to try new things; dealing with voice loss I switched to hair and makeup design=tenacity. Hey, I bet there are some people who will now think twice about hiring opera singers...
Perhaps your earth science friend just likes to complain, and perhaps you've just had enough! : )
It sound like she had decided & she was just looking for approval that it was a good choice.
In similar situations, I tell people to take continue educations courses (working toward an certificate).
Focusing on business or project management. So that it would blend with whatever major he/she has & stand out a-bit.
@Monica: I hear you about the earth science degree. I got a Fine Arts degree as an undergrad and an English MA. Talk about useless on the job market! It does make me a good blogger though...
Seriously, tens of thousands of folks per year get liberal artsy degrees and they're finding perfectly good jobs. True, many of them have to go to grad school to get the corporate jobby job. It is a failure of imagination if you have an English degree and can't find another job besides teaching.
On the other hand, I have definitely felt the pain of unemployability because of my two degrees, and I DO NOT recommend the route I took for anyone. If I had it to do all over again, I would get an English bachelors and an MBA.
August 19, 2008 7:59 pm
KateNonymous
Monica, I completely disagree. For starters, there are all kinds of "tried and true" career paths--it's just that not everyone has heard of all of them. There's nothing "exceptional" required there; it just requires that you think a little more broadly about what jobs you might find interesting. My studies in history taught me a lot about history. They also taught me to research, use critical thinking skills, and write clearly.
Milena, I do think she's impatient. Part of me understands that, but I also think she has the resources to do pretty much anything if a job in earth science is really her goal.
Ian, interesting thought. She maybe did already pick nursing and was seeking approval. It just doesn't seem like a good choice to me, but I guess it's her life.
Lance, I also think the message colleges sell to young people is a sham. They should let college students know up front when a degree is saturated for jobs, or when a degree requires years of entry-level work to make money, etc. I think many colleges say you can do a lot with a degree but leave out the details of how to actually get the job you want.
Kate, I think there is something exceptional about thinking beyond traditional paths. Many times people don't know about non-traditional paths because so few people figure out how to take them. These people are paving the way and are exceptional.
I'm not sure I'm one of those exceptional people though - I studied computer science in undergrad. The career path into software development was pretty clear, and 2.5 years later, trying to move out of software development is still a huge struggle for me. It's not an easy path to take - it's there, and people have done it before me - but still it requires exceptional career strategy.
I'm impressed by the English major gone underwriter right out of college. That's exceptional to me.
August 19, 2008 8:41 pm
Alexis
She just doesn't know anything, which is fine because she just graduated college. I didn't know anything either (I'm sure none of us did!).
Anyways, the problem is that when you don't know jack you don't know enough to listen to the people who do know something. I'm sure in a few years she'll have a revelation and realize: "jeez, it would have made sense to look outside of my college major" or "wow, I should have taken the time to research something abroad, it could have been valuable experience" or even "crikes, nursing school was a waste of time."
Or everything might work out. The point is, she might not listen to you now but you're a good friend for putting it out there. And hey, now you know how your parents feel (I can hear my mom laughing right now).
The thing about advice is that nobody really wants it. The best advisers are those who ask questions and listen. To me, it sounds like you think you have the right answer for her, but what's right for some isn't right for others.
@Monica: I completely agree that colleges sell a lot of bullsh*t! I've had this gripe for years...in fact, I've worked for colleges for the last 10 years and only a few months ago retired. Anyhow, colleges are in the business of selling educations, and it's not in their best interest to give you the straight dope. They also don't teach you about personal finance, how to buy a house, social psychology, networking, or a host of other skills that are critical to leading a successful life.
What would work better is if a 3rd party made the college majors info available, either on a website or in book form. I'm certain this info is already out there, freshmen just need to find it.
Alexis, this is very true. Right now I'm going through a lot of "I told you so" on a major decision I made awhile back. And working at Brazen Careerist, a company which was essentially built on people giving each other advice, has given me plenty of those unsolicited advice moments. Hopefully she'll come around or figure things out on her own.
Smith+Frenzy, I definitely have pseudo-name envy right now. To your point, people don't like unsolicited advice. And maybe you're right in that I think I know what's best for someone else but don't. Empathy is difficult to master.
Lance, I think that's an interesting concept. But I wonder if it would work for the reasons that Alexis and Smith+Frenzy pointed out - people just don't want to take advice sometimes.
August 19, 2008 10:25 pm
KateNonymous
It doesn't require anything exceptional to say "What can I do?" and then look for jobs that require those abilities. I wound up working in publishing, which is hardly some groundbreaking invention that I came up with.
I'm really not sure what your message is here. Should everyone major in things like business? Your emphasis on tried-and-true unless the job-seeker is really amazing seems very limiting.
Kate, I didn't say major in business. I said whatever you plan to major in, you should want to do the traditional paths for that major, or be exceptional. Maybe you just don't like my use of "exceptional," not sure.
August 19, 2008 11:05 pm
KateNonymous
So you're not saying "major in something that will give you a job." Are you saying "take the obvious job, or don't"? Why is that worth saying?
And I think "exceptional" is serious overkill in this context.
@KateNonymous I think you are overreacting a bit. Maybe Monica meant unconventional. I think that this girl is wasting an opportunity to get not only good advice, but advice that she asked for.
Being an earth science major gives you enough background and expertise to decide if that is a subject that you want to consider going further in. If you choose to major in something, you can take the "traditional path" or choose something that is outside of that area.
If I were giving her advice, I would question her choosing nursing just because there is a large demand for them.
August 20, 2008 1:04 am
KateNonymous
I may be overreacting, true. But I would like to see what the point of "follow an established path or don't" is, because as developed so far, it's not much of a point.
It came up more in the comments than in the original post--in fact, it really came up in response to my original comment.
If there's going to be some sort of argument made, the thesis should actually be a thesis. I'm challenging the idea that this is one.
Well, honestly, it's just a comment. If it were meant to be a thesis it would be in a blog post, not a comments section. But maybe at some point I'll figure out what I want to say and try a blog post. Sorry to get off topic!
I can kind of relate to this girl's situation. It IS really hard trying to find a good job in this economy if you aren't in the nursing profession. Regardless if you're expanding your search outside of your major or not. There just aren't alot of jobs.
But then again, I would always be willing to accept free advice from someone that might know a thing or two.
Anything to get ahead in this job market would be great.
I think you offered terrific advice to your friend. It would be too bad if she decided to take a new direction just for the sake of getting a job, especially if she has not fully explored options that appeal to her most.
A lot of people have no idea how to look for a job. It's tough, and it can be demoralizing and depressing to approach the job search without knowing what you're doing. Has she really worked her networking options? Spoken to people in her intended field? Written a top-notch resume? Practiced her elevator pitch?
I have a hard time believing that there aren't jobs in her field that don't require 10 years of experience...It sounds like a generalization by someone who hasn't looked very hard.
Clearly, she isn't receptive to your advice and will do what seems most efficient to her. I'm a bit biased, but I think that everyone should read career advice on a daily basis, even those not looking for a job!
Good luck to your friend!
August 20, 2008 1:11 pm
Ulyana
Wow, I've been there - where your friend is now ,that is. You just have to be patient with her... she is figuring things out. Best advice you can give her right now is 1) you've done everything right, and 2) move forward... The first one is a great advice, or an eye opener, because as a recent grad, you go through an uncertain period... maybe your job doesn't feel right, maybe you can't even find one... all making you doubt the chosen path. And the second one is about making steps forward. For example, changing a career path without giving it a chance means taking a few steps back to begin anew. There is nothing wrong with that, but that kind of decision should be made when you actually have experience. Tell her to hang in there!
And, also, she IS listening. What you are doing has its effect, just not an immediate one.
August 20, 2008 3:23 pm
Maus
Free advices is worth exactly what you paid for it...nothing! The fact that you are so bent out of shape because your advice is not welcome points to your own insecurity and inexperience.
The hallmark of a good advisor is not the desire to help people out of difficulties, but to give advisees options and outline the consequences of their potential choices. It is not secretly demanding that an advisee follow the advice slavishly, either for his or her own good or for your own validation.
theleftovers, maybe you're right. I have a computer science degree and it's honestly not hard to find jobs, even in a downturn. maybe I need a little more sympathy.
Rebecca, thanks! A compliment is still a meaningful comment in my book.
Miriam, I think it's interesting that she doesn't want to see a professional coach about her job search. She could give it more time, and then try a coach? It sounds like you or one of our other coaches could help her, but she didn't want that.
Ulyana, I think getting advice is about moving forward. It's hard to move forward on your own sometimes because you're only looking at things from your perspective. I think you are right in that she listened to me, but sometimes things need time to absorb. I also agree with how the nursing major would be taking steps back at this point. Two years down the road, when she's tried her current career path, maybe she can consider nursing again, but for the right reasons.
Maus, love the name, love the book. Disagree that free advice is worthless - I've mostly navigated life based on free advice from people I trust. And I've done pretty well for myself so far.
Also, I think I tried to give this girl a bunch of options. Whether she decides to take any of those paths is up to her, but it's annoying to have someone dismiss every path before considering it. Does that feeling of annoyance make me inexperienced? Perhaps. Insecure? No. Sorry.
I've had the same scenario when trying to offer a friend dating advice: "Want to meet men? Go here, here and here and try this, this and this."
But she shot down every single one of those ideas for one reason or another: "Trivia nights only have geeky guys or online dating is for losers."
It was very frustrating at first, especially since I think some of my suggestions were pretty good and I truly wanted to help her, but ultimately she's the one sitting at home alone, not me. And her ability to find flaws with every suggestion demonstrated that she just wasn't ready to try something new, instead preferring to stay stuck in her rut. I think this is the same situation your friend is in right now.
Your friend may really, deep down desire a job (earth science or no), but is not yet ready to make the changes/sacrifices in her life to make her desires a reality. Lots of college grads come out of school thinking it will be easy to land a dream job, but it's not.
You offered her the best advice you could and whether or not she listens is her responsibility.
Wow, great response to this post! I agree that there's nothing more frustrating than when you give someone quality advice and they ignore it. Then again, though, the consequences of this behavior are usually immediately evident when they remain unemployed for months on end.
Great post--and great advice. I don't think too many people out of college know what they're doing, but some are more receptive to advice. This person isn't and has paid for having an ego/resisting advice/not being mature enough to listen/being a know it all. Not much else you can do I suppose--but be happy you're not in his/her shoes!
29 RESPONSES TO "YOUR MAJOR IS NOT WHAT’S HOLDING YOU BACK"
Nursing is a perfectly awesome, honorable, and fun job. I've never done it, but I have at least half a dozen friends who are nurses (guys and girls) and they love it. The hours can work in your favor: I have several friends who work 3x12 hour shifts, get paid (well) for 40 hours of work, and take the next 4 days off and party. Want more money? Pick up another shift and get MAD overtime. Like traveling? You can get a job as a nurse in ANY city in the country, and probably most in the world. You don't have to stress out and be an ER nurse either, there are plenty of departments at the hospital that are laid back.
On another note, undergraduate degrees are worth about as much as HS diplomas, that is, they ain't gonna get you a good job. She can always go to law school or get an MBA and guarantee herself a job. Your friend needs more time to find herself and find a career.
As a former history major, my advice is always "Don't focus on the content--focus on the skills." When I was in college, people would ask my major and then say, with a rather blank look, "What are you going to do with that? Teach?"
Answer: no. That reflected their lack of imagination, not mine. Hopefully your friend will look at the skills she acquired through her major, and find something that interests her. And even if it doesn't interest her, it may get her to another job that does.
Lance, I'm definitely not trying to pick on nurses by any means. I agree that nursing can be a great job, but you have to truly have a passion for the job. I have friends who are nurses, and from what they tell me the hours and physical demands can be grueling.
My problem with my friend is she would be doing nursing for the wrong reasons. The career change is not likely to make her happy in the long run, and maybe not even in the short run. I agree with you that she needs more time to find herself, but it's interesting that she will not likely read your comment.
Kate, I agree with you as well. I also don't want to seem like I'm picking on earth science majors (or any other majors). I'm not.
But that brings up an interesting point - I don't think you should expect to succeed with any major unless it has a clear, tried and true career path that you want to take, or you're exceptional.
Average people are not likely to do much more than tried and true career paths with their degree. It really takes an exceptional person to study anything they're passionate about and package what they did in undergrad as a set of skills to get any job. Does that make sense?
It sounds like your friend is just impatient. Perhaps earth science is her calling, but to get anywhere with that degree, you are both right, it could take years.
Perhaps she doesn't have the stamina, and that's another issue entirely.
My undergrad degree was in music, and even though I like to complain it didn't give me any practical skills, who needs an opera singer in their company? I cannot ignore that it gave me something. I have to think creatively about what I got out of it for "conventional" jobs...stage presence=good interview skills, great with face to face client meetings; ability to sing in 8 different languages=easily adaptable to new information, willing to try new things; dealing with voice loss I switched to hair and makeup design=tenacity. Hey, I bet there are some people who will now think twice about hiring opera singers...
Perhaps your earth science friend just likes to complain, and perhaps you've just had enough! : )
Both are valid points...
It sound like she had decided & she was just looking for approval that it was a good choice.
In similar situations, I tell people to take continue educations courses (working toward an certificate).
Focusing on business or project management. So that it would blend with whatever major he/she has & stand out a-bit.
@Monica: I hear you about the earth science degree. I got a Fine Arts degree as an undergrad and an English MA. Talk about useless on the job market! It does make me a good blogger though...
Seriously, tens of thousands of folks per year get liberal artsy degrees and they're finding perfectly good jobs. True, many of them have to go to grad school to get the corporate jobby job. It is a failure of imagination if you have an English degree and can't find another job besides teaching.
On the other hand, I have definitely felt the pain of unemployability because of my two degrees, and I DO NOT recommend the route I took for anyone. If I had it to do all over again, I would get an English bachelors and an MBA.
Monica, I completely disagree. For starters, there are all kinds of "tried and true" career paths--it's just that not everyone has heard of all of them. There's nothing "exceptional" required there; it just requires that you think a little more broadly about what jobs you might find interesting. My studies in history taught me a lot about history. They also taught me to research, use critical thinking skills, and write clearly.
Milena, I do think she's impatient. Part of me understands that, but I also think she has the resources to do pretty much anything if a job in earth science is really her goal.
Ian, interesting thought. She maybe did already pick nursing and was seeking approval. It just doesn't seem like a good choice to me, but I guess it's her life.
Lance, I also think the message colleges sell to young people is a sham. They should let college students know up front when a degree is saturated for jobs, or when a degree requires years of entry-level work to make money, etc. I think many colleges say you can do a lot with a degree but leave out the details of how to actually get the job you want.
Kate, I think there is something exceptional about thinking beyond traditional paths. Many times people don't know about non-traditional paths because so few people figure out how to take them. These people are paving the way and are exceptional.
I'm not sure I'm one of those exceptional people though - I studied computer science in undergrad. The career path into software development was pretty clear, and 2.5 years later, trying to move out of software development is still a huge struggle for me. It's not an easy path to take - it's there, and people have done it before me - but still it requires exceptional career strategy.
I'm impressed by the English major gone underwriter right out of college. That's exceptional to me.
She just doesn't know anything, which is fine because she just graduated college. I didn't know anything either (I'm sure none of us did!).
Anyways, the problem is that when you don't know jack you don't know enough to listen to the people who do know something. I'm sure in a few years she'll have a revelation and realize: "jeez, it would have made sense to look outside of my college major" or "wow, I should have taken the time to research something abroad, it could have been valuable experience" or even "crikes, nursing school was a waste of time."
Or everything might work out. The point is, she might not listen to you now but you're a good friend for putting it out there. And hey, now you know how your parents feel (I can hear my mom laughing right now).
:-)
The thing about advice is that nobody really wants it. The best advisers are those who ask questions and listen. To me, it sounds like you think you have the right answer for her, but what's right for some isn't right for others.
@Monica: I completely agree that colleges sell a lot of bullsh*t! I've had this gripe for years...in fact, I've worked for colleges for the last 10 years and only a few months ago retired. Anyhow, colleges are in the business of selling educations, and it's not in their best interest to give you the straight dope. They also don't teach you about personal finance, how to buy a house, social psychology, networking, or a host of other skills that are critical to leading a successful life.
What would work better is if a 3rd party made the college majors info available, either on a website or in book form. I'm certain this info is already out there, freshmen just need to find it.
Alexis, this is very true. Right now I'm going through a lot of "I told you so" on a major decision I made awhile back. And working at Brazen Careerist, a company which was essentially built on people giving each other advice, has given me plenty of those unsolicited advice moments. Hopefully she'll come around or figure things out on her own.
Smith+Frenzy, I definitely have pseudo-name envy right now. To your point, people don't like unsolicited advice. And maybe you're right in that I think I know what's best for someone else but don't. Empathy is difficult to master.
Lance, I think that's an interesting concept. But I wonder if it would work for the reasons that Alexis and Smith+Frenzy pointed out - people just don't want to take advice sometimes.
It doesn't require anything exceptional to say "What can I do?" and then look for jobs that require those abilities. I wound up working in publishing, which is hardly some groundbreaking invention that I came up with.
I'm really not sure what your message is here. Should everyone major in things like business? Your emphasis on tried-and-true unless the job-seeker is really amazing seems very limiting.
Kate, I didn't say major in business. I said whatever you plan to major in, you should want to do the traditional paths for that major, or be exceptional. Maybe you just don't like my use of "exceptional," not sure.
So you're not saying "major in something that will give you a job." Are you saying "take the obvious job, or don't"? Why is that worth saying?
And I think "exceptional" is serious overkill in this context.
@KateNonymous I think you are overreacting a bit. Maybe Monica meant unconventional. I think that this girl is wasting an opportunity to get not only good advice, but advice that she asked for.
Being an earth science major gives you enough background and expertise to decide if that is a subject that you want to consider going further in. If you choose to major in something, you can take the "traditional path" or choose something that is outside of that area.
If I were giving her advice, I would question her choosing nursing just because there is a large demand for them.
I may be overreacting, true. But I would like to see what the point of "follow an established path or don't" is, because as developed so far, it's not much of a point.
It came up more in the comments than in the original post--in fact, it really came up in response to my original comment.
If there's going to be some sort of argument made, the thesis should actually be a thesis. I'm challenging the idea that this is one.
Well, honestly, it's just a comment. If it were meant to be a thesis it would be in a blog post, not a comments section. But maybe at some point I'll figure out what I want to say and try a blog post. Sorry to get off topic!
I can kind of relate to this girl's situation. It IS really hard trying to find a good job in this economy if you aren't in the nursing profession. Regardless if you're expanding your search outside of your major or not. There just aren't alot of jobs.
But then again, I would always be willing to accept free advice from someone that might know a thing or two.
Anything to get ahead in this job market would be great.
This was such a good post. I'm too tired to write a meaningful comment, but really, it was fabulous.
I think you offered terrific advice to your friend. It would be too bad if she decided to take a new direction just for the sake of getting a job, especially if she has not fully explored options that appeal to her most.
A lot of people have no idea how to look for a job. It's tough, and it can be demoralizing and depressing to approach the job search without knowing what you're doing. Has she really worked her networking options? Spoken to people in her intended field? Written a top-notch resume? Practiced her elevator pitch?
I have a hard time believing that there aren't jobs in her field that don't require 10 years of experience...It sounds like a generalization by someone who hasn't looked very hard.
Clearly, she isn't receptive to your advice and will do what seems most efficient to her. I'm a bit biased, but I think that everyone should read career advice on a daily basis, even those not looking for a job!
Good luck to your friend!
Wow, I've been there - where your friend is now ,that is. You just have to be patient with her... she is figuring things out. Best advice you can give her right now is 1) you've done everything right, and 2) move forward... The first one is a great advice, or an eye opener, because as a recent grad, you go through an uncertain period... maybe your job doesn't feel right, maybe you can't even find one... all making you doubt the chosen path. And the second one is about making steps forward. For example, changing a career path without giving it a chance means taking a few steps back to begin anew. There is nothing wrong with that, but that kind of decision should be made when you actually have experience. Tell her to hang in there!
And, also, she IS listening. What you are doing has its effect, just not an immediate one.
Free advices is worth exactly what you paid for it...nothing! The fact that you are so bent out of shape because your advice is not welcome points to your own insecurity and inexperience.
The hallmark of a good advisor is not the desire to help people out of difficulties, but to give advisees options and outline the consequences of their potential choices. It is not secretly demanding that an advisee follow the advice slavishly, either for his or her own good or for your own validation.
theleftovers, maybe you're right. I have a computer science degree and it's honestly not hard to find jobs, even in a downturn. maybe I need a little more sympathy.
Rebecca, thanks! A compliment is still a meaningful comment in my book.
Miriam, I think it's interesting that she doesn't want to see a professional coach about her job search. She could give it more time, and then try a coach? It sounds like you or one of our other coaches could help her, but she didn't want that.
Ulyana, I think getting advice is about moving forward. It's hard to move forward on your own sometimes because you're only looking at things from your perspective. I think you are right in that she listened to me, but sometimes things need time to absorb. I also agree with how the nursing major would be taking steps back at this point. Two years down the road, when she's tried her current career path, maybe she can consider nursing again, but for the right reasons.
Maus, love the name, love the book. Disagree that free advice is worthless - I've mostly navigated life based on free advice from people I trust. And I've done pretty well for myself so far.
Also, I think I tried to give this girl a bunch of options. Whether she decides to take any of those paths is up to her, but it's annoying to have someone dismiss every path before considering it. Does that feeling of annoyance make me inexperienced? Perhaps. Insecure? No. Sorry.
Monica,
I've had the same scenario when trying to offer a friend dating advice: "Want to meet men? Go here, here and here and try this, this and this."
But she shot down every single one of those ideas for one reason or another: "Trivia nights only have geeky guys or online dating is for losers."
It was very frustrating at first, especially since I think some of my suggestions were pretty good and I truly wanted to help her, but ultimately she's the one sitting at home alone, not me. And her ability to find flaws with every suggestion demonstrated that she just wasn't ready to try something new, instead preferring to stay stuck in her rut. I think this is the same situation your friend is in right now.
Your friend may really, deep down desire a job (earth science or no), but is not yet ready to make the changes/sacrifices in her life to make her desires a reality. Lots of college grads come out of school thinking it will be easy to land a dream job, but it's not.
You offered her the best advice you could and whether or not she listens is her responsibility.
Wow, great response to this post! I agree that there's nothing more frustrating than when you give someone quality advice and they ignore it. Then again, though, the consequences of this behavior are usually immediately evident when they remain unemployed for months on end.
Hey Monica,
Great post--and great advice. I don't think too many people out of college know what they're doing, but some are more receptive to advice. This person isn't and has paid for having an ego/resisting advice/not being mature enough to listen/being a know it all. Not much else you can do I suppose--but be happy you're not in his/her shoes!
K:)
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