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DJ's post isn't about marketing. Well, not just about marketing. But if you think, after reading just a little, that you know all this, hold on until the end. This comes together in a really surprising way, and it works for your marketing department, and for your career, and for your life.
Just a little encouragement to engage this one for longer than twenty seconds,
your Brazen Editor
Marketers are confused these days. The things that have worked for decades aren’t working anymore. Can you imagine if you worked for 30 years in your given vocation and then, almost over night, all the rules changed?
In truth, marketing is only now becoming what it truly should have been - a conversation. Less lies, less spin. Marketers have been shoveling marshmallow fluff down the mouths of Americans and telling them it’s broccoli. And suddenly, as quick as you can confuse metaphors, we find that the emperor has no clothes.
I admit I’ve been frustrated with the old-school marketers. “What is with these guys, and why can’t they get it together?” But that’s not fair. Their whole world has shifted beneath them. I came to a better understanding watching a recent Robert Scoble interview with IBM engineer Mike Moran. (I highly encourage you to check it out: Robert Scoble’s interview with Mike Moran. It’s only 12 minutes long and well worth your time.)
Moran gives a cogent explanation of why marketers are having such a difficult time in the new web 2.0 environment. Here is a small sample:
“The change that’s really happening is you have to learn how to attract people to your message rather than pushing it at them. You have to figure out how you’re going to listen when they talk back. And you also have to watch what they do. Those three things are really critical because once you do them, you have to figure out how to respond.
Those three things are really critical because once you do them, you have to figure out how to respond. When I say ‘Do it wrong quickly,’ it’s not you trying to do it wrong, it’s that you kind of admit that what you’re doing is probably wrong because it usually is. And then you have to look back at the feedback from your target market to see how far off it is so that you know what to do next. And that’s really a tough change for a lot of marketers.
That seems really simple, but think of it: a whole industry has changed in a matter of what, less than a decade? That is pretty outstanding. It’s going from monologue to dialogue, from lecture to conversation, from directing to caring, from crossed fingers to metrics.
Likewise, David Meerman Scott had this to say a couple of weeks ago at Podcamp Boston 3 on an edition of the Marketing Over Coffee podcast:
You truly have to think differently than you ever have before, if you’ve been a marketer or PR person throughout your whole career. So many people have an idea of what marketing and public relations is. Marketing is typically advertising and you interrupt people and you coerce them to do something. And PR is you convince a handful of journalists to talk about your stuff.
Everything we’re talking about here [at Podcamp Boston 3] is about creating something interesting that doesn’t talk about your product and service - no one cares about your product and service - but gets an idea across.”
All of this then reminded me of an excellent post by Josh Klein. (You really ought to subscribe to his blog. Seriously.) He was speaking about roughly the same topic, with a special focus on television. And Josh nails it when he talks about how things have changed with the internet.
“The internet wasn’t built for businesses, it was built to share information, first for the military and later for academics. Business has grown out of this original purpose, but it wasn’t the intention…
The web is not a passive medium. It’s built for engagement.
Why do companies insist on putting up brochureware websites, then wonder why nobody is visiting? Who gave them the right to take up valuable cognitive space without providing anything of value? This brings us back to the line that got axed from my presentation.
‘Nobody cares about you.’”
Do you see how these three quotes all fit together into a meme? Moran says everything has changed and failure is good. Scott says you must create instead of interrupt. And Klein says this medium is built for engagement and, to engage, you must focus on the desires of the customer (not yourself or your company).
No one cares about your product, you’re doing it wrong, and that is awesome.
No wonder this scares the pants off the old-school marketers - I don’t blame them! Everything went topsy-turvy all of a sudden. A type of newspeak has become the norm (i.e. sell by not selling, convince by entertaining, fail to succeed).
Researching all of this has made me a little more understanding; it has made the hand-holding necessary in our industry a little more tolerable. I encourage you - whatever your age or experience - to consider the great shift in marketing when you deal with the old-school folks.
Do you think I’m correct or am I totally off base? I’d love to hear what you think in the comments section below.

DJ, I think you are on the mark.
Somehow Seth Godin's voice comes to mind when you said 'Nobody cares about you' (from his Google talk.)
Internet/Web is not just another new medium or channel for push marketing.
I think it's a new medium & way for pull marketing for the masses, which has been rare.
Old-Marketing: Shouting at the prospect enough time to get notice.
New-Marketing: Communicating with your best & worst customers/influencers.
So you are right, the rules has changed.

Thanks for the shout-out DJ. As someone who spends a lot of time with marketers (and PR people and market researchers), I am sympathetic, too. Most of them really are trying to get it, but when you have to change your whole philosophy of how to do your job, that's challenging. And even if you succeed at adapting, you often struggle to help all the other folks in your company adapt, too. It doesn't come esily to most people.
And Ian is right. Seth Godin was talking about this stuff before I was. And the Cluetrain Manifesto contained the seminal idea that markets are conversations. As you point out, DJ, a lot of folks are talking about different aspects of the same set of ideas. That might cause us all to realize there's a germ of truth in them...

Nice work pulling all these related ideas together. I've been in marketing most of my career. I was VP marketing of several different public companies. It's only in the past few years that I really feel like I am connecting with buyers and that's because of the web.
David

Great thoughts, and thanks for the plug. Kudos to Ian for point out the origin of "Nobody Cares About You" as Seth Godin; if anybody "gets it" on this whole topic, it's Seth.
And Mike's comments in the interview were very thought provoking. The idea to "do it wrong quickly" is exactly that hump traditional marketers have to get over, and it's easy to understand why they're so uncomfortable.
Putting the book on my to-read list!