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Posted On 06.16.08

No, Barack Obama did not visit my church personally. *Insert thoughtless right wing pun about no bigot pastors being around here.* Obama visited my church in the discussion that is being held about race. That’s right. We had a discussion about race relations in this country in the middle of a church service.

This is one of the things I love about my church. (New Community Covenant Church) The forum on race generated so many questions that the segment ran longer. Our pastor decided to forgo communion this week in order to allow time for more discussion on the issue, even though we will be continuing the series for the next few weeks. How many churches do you know that will push communion back in order to have a lengthy discussion on racism in society that has been brought to the forefront by Barack Obama’s candidacy?

There were no politics discussed, only a frank and honest forum where people of different ethnicities sat down and told their history with racial relations. This is what this country needs. Badly. As recently as last week I wrote about the need for an open dialogue on race in politics. When more of us are willing to admit to our own shortcomings and prejudices, we will start the long, hard work of healing these divisions.

The forum consisted of a a Korean, an African-American, a Latino, an Indian who grew up in the Emirates, and a Caucasian. These people represented the core of our church, which is the most diverse that I have ever seen. I don’t have any numbers, but I’m going to guess that the congregation is about half Asian, a third white, and the rest equally divided up between African Americans and Hispanics.

One of the best points made was that the idea that we are living in a post-racial society is both untrue and unhealthy. We are NOT living in a post-racial utopia where race is not a factor. You can say that you don’t see Obama as black or McCain as white until you’re bluish-pink in the face: the fact is that we do see them in the context of skin color, and it DOES effect the way that we think about them.

Like it or not, Barack Obama is now the focal point, the very epicenter of race relations in the United States, and he will be at least until this November. Now you know that I’m no big fan of Obama, but of course this weight isn’t fair to him: he is only a man and to shoulder the history of hundreds of years of racism is an incredible burden.

America, this issue is not going to go away even if Obama is elected. In fact it may get even more heated. It’s time that we start a real conversation about this. So, I’ll start with a question.

If Barack Obama is elected, will it change the way you think about racial tensions and relations in this country?

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Comments

Chris Ford
06.17.08

Racism is filtered more and more through every generation born, things can get a little better but not much better than our generation. Basically the only ones you have to worry about anymore are those born into a radical family that believes in "white power". That being said, I have a feeling that racism won't die down to the most subdued levels until the Baby Boomers have gone.

You know me, I don't see my thoughts on Obama being affected by his skin color, but that is not to say that I don't think that he is a racist himself (Wright, Michelle, Cone, Black Liberation Theology, the "Typical white person" remark). I honestly think that the majority of racist anymore are the "anti-whites", and who can blame them? That is if you have been a victim of racism like slavery. Just don't take it out on the rest of us who are actually trying, bringing up the mistakes of my great great grandfather will have no affect on me and I will refuse to apologize, my support from here on out is enough and people, no matter the color of skin, must work to earn their place in this country.

Beth
06.17.08

One of my Black professors in law school said that we (the Black students in the section he taught in) and his children, and everyone else who is a minority in this country, have been drafted into this situation, and are forced representatives. Like it or not, we cannot get past the fact that when people who are different see someone different, they build their theory about "them" based on you. It happens with minorities and the majority members of a community, all over the world.

I am offended by people who call Obama racist because of Fox news. That is just ridiculous. If having Black friends makes you not racist, then having a white mother trumps that.

And finally, I do think we need to graduate to a "post-racial" mindset. Race doesn't really tell us much about a person. And what it does tell us, for most minority groups, is offensive and unhelpful. When I lived in Boston, people used to walk up to me and call me Beyonce. Like it was a compliment. And now, everyone assumes that I like certain things, like Chicken (I am VEGETARIAN) and rap music (I don't even listen to popular radio; I listen to NPR). It is the most offensive thing in the world. If you got past my skin color, and took the time to ask rather than assume (it doesn't take much time, maybe a couple of seconds) then we could get past all this foolishness of assumptions!

But, another interesting thing I heard in law school, and I know is true because of the results of an implicit bias test (look it up, and take it if you don't believe me); people need to categorize in order to easily process information. Until we find that our categorizations don't work, we will continue to be stuck in this state, of making invalid assumptions about someone because of their race.

Chris Ford
06.17.08

Beth-Just so you know, in case it was a jab at me, I don't analyze Fox News to come to the conclusion of Obama being racist. I don't even watch Fox News. Matter of fact I don't get to watch much TV at all anymore. When you look at who Obama chooses to surround himself with and the ideologies that he follows, it is just a matter of psychology and a simple conclusion, you don't have to dig and dig and dig for a conclusion. It's right in front of everyone's eyes. People just choose to not see it because they want to believe their candidate is "untainted" and "pure", newsflash-find me a politician who is on either side of the aisle!

Tim
06.17.08

Chris- I don't know if it becomes more diluted with each generation. I feel that it manifests in different ways, and the trend in racism is more subtle and less violent, but nonetheless still there.

Beth- by most accounts, Boston is one of the most racist cities in the country.

I don't know Barack personally so I can't say that he's racist or not, but I don't see how having a white mother would disqualify him from racist sentiment one way or the other. He does have some friends that one could easily paint as racist, but then again so do most people. I don't think he should be held responsible for Wright's perceived racism in any case.

I think we would all like to see a post-racial mindset, but we won't get there until we have some very difficult discussions and admit in the first place that we're not living in one right now.

Vanessa
06.17.08

@Chris Ford I am glad to hear that you are ready to move beyond racism. Will you please send the rest of the country a memo. There have been so many polls that show the wide difference in perception of racism in this country. I can tell you from experience from living in Texas that there are not just skinhead overt racists living in this country. Most of the racism that still exists is more subversive: the disparaging remarks that Beth talks about; the person who gets passed over for a job; the higher prices a black person pays for a car vs. a white person; health disparities.

Wanting to have a conversation about race relations in this country is not about personally faulting you for hundreds of years of oppression. It's about getting you to realize that the oppression still exists in many ways even if it is not overtly present in the form of a swastika or a crazy preacher. Moving past race should be about have true equality of opportunity in all facets of society.

Chris Ford
06.17.08

@Vanessa- I can honestly say that I truly am surrounded by non-racists, that I guess sounds really crazy to other parts of the country but it's true! Good friends, random people, I barely ever run into anything unless it is the occasional old person at a table saying something offensive...I think our generation has been brought up in a great environment that allows for the passing of judgemental people and even puts those people in a spotlight as people no one wants to associate with, whereas with previous generations it was more "coffee talk", well not really but you get my point

Tim
06.17.08

Just came across this from the WSJ- good article about changes in attitude towards affirmative action. Read & weigh in!

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB121340482731674019.html?mod=speci...

Vanessa
06.17.08

@ Chris I just wanted you to know that it's nice that you enjoy that luxury. I just think that many people don't have that opportunity. I do think that our generation might be the first one to make the final push of getting racism out of the prominent spot that its been in.

@Tim Thanks for the article! Affirmative action has been trickling in as a campaign issue, but I don't know how much attention that it will receive given other huge issues such as the war and the faltering economy.

I have to say that my own attitudes about affirmative action are mixed. I think that it does reshuffle the deck so that some people might have a chance. I do think that the disadvantages might outweigh the advantages. You can see the growing backlash in ballot initiatives in California and other states and the Supreme Court case Grutter v. U. of Michigan in 2003.

If anything, affirmative action needs to shift to a socioeconomic class-based policy. It doesn't address all of the problems that racism causes in society, but it casts the widest net, so it's probably the most politically palatable solution. I think that Obama has alluded to this policy shift before.

Beth
06.17.08

Tim--I have lived all over the country, and I find Boston to be most openly hostile, but where I live now takes the cake on some many levels. The midwest is incredibly backwards and segregated. As is much of the country, but I have talked to people and they seem to see nothing wrong with it. Amazing!

You cannot know if someone is racist until they have an opportunity to show it.

And all this reverse racism talk, incredible. I'm not saying that anyone can't be racist, but the idea that speaking badly against the United States for its past behavior espouses some kind of reverse racism is ridiculous. There are two histories, people. The United States has done unspeakable things to its native population and population of African heritage, and greatly mistreated a lot of other groups along the way, and suddenly, in a matter of 40 years we are supposed to forget all this and pretend that we love the good ole' US of A? If you forget the past, you are destined to repeat it.

Tim
06.17.08

@ Vanessa- I'm conflicted about affirmative action as well. I think it's too dull a tool and does more to damage race relations in the US than help.

@ Beth- you do have a point about segregation- I live in Chicago, which is made up of several dozen little cities with their own ethnic makeup. But I don't think it applies to all of the Midwest- that's too great a generalization.

100 percent with you on the alternative history- I wrote about it a while ago when the Wright controversy broke out.

http://timm84.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/defending-jeremiah-wright/

Beth
06.17.08

Re: Segregated Cities...

Tim, where have you lived in the Midwest?

I have lived in Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, and Missouri. I have lived in two cities in Ohio, two in Michigan, one in Illinois, one in Indiana, and one in Missouri. In every place, the cities were segregated by race, and then further my socio-economic status. And where I live in Missouri right now, there is a huge problem with racial stratification such that there are regular law suits about racial steering. And people remain indignent about it. And one place in Michigan is literally known for a White town and a Black town side by side. Guess which one is poor?

I have also lived in Georgia, Virgina, West Virginia, and Massachusetts. Same thing there. Except in Massachusetts the divisions are often based on language, and I can't really argue with that. In Georgia I found them purely socioeconomic, but they had the same effect. The town was so small though that you could walk from one "neighborhood" to another, and it was even encouraged. In Virginia, I stayed with White family members in an all White part of town, and I didn't venture out too much, so I honestly don't know. In West Virginia, I lived on a farm.

I became obsessed with this in highschool, and in Ohio it is rather stunning. Urban flight, and then further suburban flight, especially in cities with large Black populations. Look into it. It's rather amazing. I don't know if small towns follow the model as well though, because, like I said with the place I lived in Georgia, you could walk everywhere. But the history of Dayton Ohio, where I grew up is fascinating, and not uncommon because of the great migration of Black former slaves to factory towns.

Chris Ford
06.17.08

Beth- I think you are not understanding my point about history. I think it is incredibly valuable for us to learn about the past and the wrongs that the country or even the world has done to people. What I find to be stunning, is that generations that have never been touched by slavery still use it as a shield for deeper problems. If you have an ignorant white person talking to you in a racist manner then I encourage you to bring up the conversation but generalization of a race can work both ways. The whole chicken and Beyonce argument was about the generalization of your race but to bring up slavery as the problem and fault of white people is also a generalization, the country was split with white people that helped free minorities from bondage. My point is that I have no family history of slave owners and I find it offensive when slavery is used against me. We can learn from the past but unless whites can move past skin color and blacks can forgive, then racism is going to exist and that would be the fault of all parties involved!

By the way, I am in Pennsylvania. We may be bitter and cling to our guns and religion, but I can tell you right now racism around me is not that big of a deal...move on out here! : )

Milena Thomas
06.17.08

I've got to be honest. Though I know I won't vote for Obama, race does not factor into my decision in this election one bit. If an idea is good, I'll vote for it, if not, I won't. Though I haven't crossed him off my list altogether, I probably won't vote for McCain either, he's got some crappy ideas too. I can't imagine Obama winning would change my mind about race in any way.

I agree that we're not living in a post-racist utopia by any stretch. I run into racist types from time to time and try to slowly back away and hope they don't notice I've left the conversation.

Monica O'Brien
06.17.08

I have to agree with Milena. Race and prejudice are not a thing of the past - I live in Chicago also, and neighborhoods are separated by ethnicity. But I definitely won't base my vote in this election on race.

What's interesting to me is no one talks about money, which I believe is a far greater segregation in today's society. It affects where you live, who you meet, who you socialize with, where you eat, where you work, where you shop. Racial segregation seems to stem from socio-economic status in my observation.

Maybe that's why I don't see race when I look at the two main presidential candidates. Age, sure. But otherwise I see two politicians with very different platforms, and I plan to vote based on those platforms.

Vanessa
06.17.08

I think there are a lot of reasons no one wants to talk about socioeconomic status regarding discrimination.

1) No one thinks they are poor even if objectively their income would allow them to be described that way. It's easy to think of someone worse off than you are. Everyone wants to believe that the next higher income bracket is within reach and that they don't have anything in common with lower income brackets.

2) Bringing up poverty as a subject of discrimination would inevitably highlight the other extreme of sky high wealth. It's in the interest of this top echelon to keep the discussion away from poverty. People who are poor lack not only economic power, but also social and political power. This leads to organizations advocating for the poor rather than the poor advocating for themselves.

3) I think there is a fear among minorities that moving the focus past race to class will forget about the real impact that racism has on their lives. There is already a sense that the government is trying to get out of the business of governing race relations. People who aren't negatively affected by racism want to forget the whole thing.

BrandonA
06.18.08

I am curious what everyone sees as the end results of the abolishment of racism? In particular I often hear about segregation. Does that mean when their will be no more race segregation will be no more and races will be distributed appropriately throughout a city? To a point this also goes to socio-economic status. As long as we are capitalist there will always be a poor class and always be a wealthy. Is it the goal of some to have the poor live among the rich and vice versa? I get that feeling at times reading these comments. Like people tend to navigate to each other, I don't think that will ever change. Is that a bad thing?

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