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It appears that finally the Democratic primaries are going to end, with Hillary Clinton admitting that Obama has won enough delegates to secure the nomination, while stopping short of actually conceding the race, whatever in the blue hell that means.Now that the race is over, a lot of people (mainly Hillary supporters) are very, very PO’d.
They have every right to be. People were calling for their candidate to exit the race months ago, and the media has trashed Hillary at every turn. (She has certainly deserved some of it, but the extremes to which the MSM has gone to degrade her are absurd.) What the DNC chose to do with the delegates from Michigan was undemocratic, unfair, and unreasonable. While there may have been no clean way to sort that mess out, the fact is that now the Democratic Party has a huge problem on its hands. Hillary’s people are ready to jump ship and vote for McCain.
Folks, I have supported Hillary’s right to stay in the race until the very end, I have tried to defend her from personal attacks, and I am one of the last people who would vote for Obama, but voting for John McCain in November is not the answer.
The only way to solve this may be to force Barack Obama to take Hillary Clinton on his ticket for vice-president. That may go a long way to bringing back her supporters into the fold, but it shouldn’t be necessary.
I am not a supporter of party politics. But just because you’re completely, completely disappointed with the Democrats doesn’t mean that the grass is greener on the other side. In fact, that grass is brown, dried out, rather disgusting, and the country is tired of eating it.
If they don’t put Hillary in as VP, why don’t you come up with a better response than just voting for the other guy? If you’re a true Clinton supporter, there’s no way that you can believe John McCain represents your interests more than Obama does.
Or, even better yet, vote Third party and teach BOTH the Dems and the Reps a lesson.
The thing that is most striking about the Obama vs. McCain thing is the drastic age difference. I was asked yesterday why young people believe Obama can run a country with his limited experience and youth. First off, I think describing someone in their forties as a youth is crazy, but it's an interesting question to consider.
On the one hand you have McCain who would probably have made a great president 10 or 20 years ago, but now he's in his seventy's and well past his prime. But on the other hand you have Obama who admittedly has little experience and is one of the youngest candidates in history.
There's no 55 year old white male, so there is really no "safe" bet or middle ground. I'm interested to see how it all plays out.
"Youth" vs. "Experience"
Oh yeah, Obama should not let Hillary on the ticket. But I'll vote dem either way.
@Ben - I see a vote for Obama as another step towards socialism. A secular society that is based on wealth redistribution. You are scared of a Monarch, of which I am to, but what is your fear of a government that diggs into your life and gives to to another. Or forces you to work for the common good? That must surely scare you too? Where is the freedom there? But I'm sure this argument is futile, I just wanted to speak my mind.
Ben- I'm sorry but you either haven't looked at the definition of "monarchy" or you chose to stretch that definition so far that it has less and less meaning.
Obama supporters are so invested in him that they are the most blind voters, probably of all time, and I know you agree with me on that Tim. His policies, this whole cap and trade agreement and everything else he stands for leads to a completely socialist society, which for the record, is the exact opposite of what real socialist societies are trying to escape from. Matter of fact, those socialist countries are trying to follow the American model. So why the hell are we going in the opposite direction? Is that the kind of change that Obama supporters are looking for? Completely change course and head backwards? Going in that direction leads right past monarchy and straight to communism.
As far as McCain is concerned, he is not my type of candidate either but he does have some strong points, his choice of supreme court judges, his opposition to pork spending from both sides of the aisle and, whether you agree with me or COMPLETELY disagree, his stance on the war. I mean you would think that we would have learned from Vietnam that pulling out causes more problems than it solves.
Tim-If we could find a great third party candidate and have the majority of people from both sides jump ship and go for that person, hell I would be right there with you!
This year we really don't have a good choice. This may be the one time in a long time that I actually hold my nose and vote for a Dumocrat.I mean really though how much do you think it's going to cost us for all these promises he is makeing. They are going to raise our taxes. "Oh yes they can" Obama is good at giving speeches but talk is cheap. Any way it falls out we are in deep do do.
@ Mark:
We got ourselves deep in do do back in 2003, and again in 2004 when we re-elected one of the worst presidents we've ever had.
Let's not fool ourselves here.
Those people who vote for McCain, regardless of the reason, support monarchy - whether they realize it or not.
The Bush regime will be continued by McCain if he's elected, and if that happens, I'm going to be sorely tempted to leave the United States permanently. After all, if the people are stupid enough to elect a new monarch after two hundred years of not having one, what hope is there for the future?
I'm an Obama supporter, but if had lost the nomination, I still would have voted for Hillary. Hillary isn't even the "lesser of two evils," as Kerry was in 2004. She's a decent candidate that just happened to lose out this time.
We need to end all this infighting before the fanatics bolt the party.
Judges. The Federal Bench. That alone is enough of a reason for anyone who was a Hillary supporter to pull out their checkbook this morning and promptly write a $2300 donation to Barack Obama.
Your girl lost for many reasons some of which can be traced to the way her high priced gurus managed the early stages of the campaign. But if you think you are sad now, wait until about 3 weeks after John McCain's first Supreme Court nominee has been seated and you wake up to find that you have lost your right to choose.
That thought alone should help to console your aching heart, ease your anger and encourage you to whole- heartedly campaign for the guy who won fair and square playing by the rules that all the candidates agreed with before the primaries started.
Tim - I've had the third party debate quite often with friends. It always sounds like a fantastic idea. But I get scared of the end result. Say you ran a third party with fairly equal amounts of supporters so one person got 40%, one 30% and the other 30%.
The one who won the election is in office with more then half the country voting against them. What would be the risk of revolt there? Maybe the way would be to have a play-off system where it still ends in a general two person election where the populous can choose which one is better.
In the preliminaries there needs to be less barriers to entry for candidates and parties and our media needs to embrace third parties for it work.
Clinton as VP would defeat the "change" message of the campaign. Plus, she's spent months trashing him and bringing up the notion of assassination. . . should anything happen to him, HC would be suspect. The fact that she was completely self-absorbed in her speech last night and Obama took 2 paragraphs to commend her historical run and strength of character says they're both playing in different leagues. It looks like she really is taking the "I'm in the White House, or no Democrat is."
Plus, her husband could not be shipped off to Siberia for 8 years. He's a liability.
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