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Hey Jun! It sounds like going for an unstructured internships at a start-up company can be a very valuable experience. I especially like the prospect of making your own decisions to get from point A to point B. However, with that said, I have a question, what is the best way to go about attaining such an internship at a small start-up company? Most internships at structured, brand name companies are heavily advertised usually through internet sites and university career centers. So how do you find those unstructured internships at smaller, generally harder to find companies?

I totally agree with you. I think you learn significantly more from a start up. However, in order to secure a good future, the resume is quite important, and recruiters often want to see name brands in prestigious industries like Consulting. Wouldn't it be a better investment to first have these name brands on your resume, then go to a start up, and even if it fails, you can always fall back on the name brand, showing that you are still a viable talent?

Charles, great question!
So how do you find these startup companies? To be honest, these companies are absolutely everywhere! You just need to know where to look. A great place to start is to go to entrepreneur events, angel events, and VC events. Just google VC or Angel events and you'll get a whole list of them. I have found that the best events are not just "mixers" or "networking events"; the best events are those with a speaker panel about a topic that interests you. There are many entrepreneur who go to these events looking for funding and potential team members.
Another great resource is the MBA school at your university. I went to UCLA and Anderson is a top ranked school for entrepreneurship. They have an Entrepreneur Association and I signed up to the association so that I can go to all of their events. I have met many MBA students who are starting a company and that are looking for people to join their team.
If you're in the Southern California area, a great starting point is to attend Tech Coast Angel or Pasadena Angel events. They attract a large crowd of entrepreneurs who are looking for funding and that are looking to expand their team.

Jun, very informative post you have here. If only recruiters and students could gain this insight on the value of unstructured internships, interns everywhere would be seeking more productive and engaging internships available with small firms, and recruiters would learn to value them more. Alas, choosing unstructured internships could potentially be a gamble, as an ineffectively run startup firm will offer little value to the intern if the owners and managers know just as much as the intern. At that point, it's really up to the intern to take it upon themselves to work hard and be a self starter.
I still believe that unstructured internships with small start ups are still the best though, as there are plenty more opportunities, but most people should be aware that they will only get what they willingly put into it, and that it is easy to slack off and waste a perfectly good opportunity.
Charles, to address your question, I honestly don't think its any harder to get an internship with a small start up than it is with a larger firm. For one, those heavily advertised internship programs draw a crowd of the most competitive students out there, making it more difficult to actually get an offer. Small firms on the other hand, can't afford the luxury of advertising and promotion, and thus many like you wouldn't know or bother to apply. As a result, many of these spots are giving to less qualified students or sometimes none at all. What it really takes is for someone to simply just put in the effort to locate these firms. Google, Yellow Pages, or sometimes, simply taking a walk in the business district and walking into an office that you might be interested in. Put yourself in the position of a client instead of a potential intern, and imagine how you would normally seek out these small firms for help. Then when you find these firms, it takes a simple email or inquiry to find out if they might have an internship opportunity available. Some of these firms might even be delighted at the fact that someone would want to intern with their firm and might even open up a spot for you. Altogether, I believe there are more internship opportunities available with start-up firms in general than with large corporations. Good luck.

I'm currently a senior in college, and I'm doing a couple of internships right now.
I chose to intern at an investment firm rather than an interesting start-up company that focuses on search engine optimization.
I chose the investment firm because I thought it would look good on a resume and help me out if I planned to get into any financial jobs in the future.
I really did like the opportunity at the start-up though, and I enjoyed the chance of meeting both of the guys that started the company. One of them is a recent MBA and the other has started companies before, and they make an interesting partnership. Despite not taking the internship with them, I do feel like I befriended themselves somewhat and I recently found one of them on LinkedIn and added him as a connection.
Anyway, as far as the investment firm, I don't particularly enjoy it. It's just a bunch of filing papers and making copies and sort-of mundane. And, not to be boastful, but the I feel like I'm a better trader than the broker I work under - she's losing money for her clients right now "because the whole market is going down", yet in my personal trading, I'm still stringing together winning trades.
Anyway, I'm beginning to dread going into my internship every morning and I can't wait for the semester to be over with....

I would actually like to add to my above post and say that when I first interviewed at the investment firm, I felt like "I don't know if I could work for her, this seems boring", whereas when I interviewed at the start-up, I thought "These guys are really cool and it's really cool what they're doing - I could learn a lot from them".
Yet, after the interviews and after I heard back from both positions, I went against my initial gut feelings and chose to work at the investment firm..... because, I thought it would look better on my resume - because I'm interested in a career in finance. And, yes that was the only reason for choosing the investment firm over the start-up.
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